The most violent countries - Europe - Think the USA has the most violent crimes?

[SUBMAN1]

Looks like you can carry in Germany too:

Firearms carry permits entitle licensees to publicly carry legally owned weapons, loaded in a concealed or non-concealed manner. A mandatory legal and safety class and shooting proficiency tests are required to obtain such a permit. Carry permits are usually only issued to persons with a particular need for carrying a firearm. This includes licensed hunters, law-enforcement officers, security personnel and persons living under a raised threat-level like celebrities and politicians.


The weapons law does not apply to military use of weapons within the Bundeswehr.


The identity card of German troops contains a term allowing them carrying weapons. Nevertheless, issuance of guns and especially ammunition is also very strictly controlled within the armed forces.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

What's next Subman1?

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Prove me he's not there!?!1!11eleven!1"

Thanks for proving my point of you Trolling and trying to derail the thread.

-S

[Biggles]

I forbid you? I can't recall I ever did...oh well, since you're so sure then I guess you're right.

[SUBMAN1]

Firearms rules for Germany:

A number of criteria must be met before a firearms ownership license is issued:

• age of consent (18 years for rimfire calibers/21 years for higher calibers) (§ 4 WaffG)
• trustworthiness (§ 5 WaffG)
• personal adequacy (§ 6 WaffG)
• expert knowledge (§ 7 WaffG) and
• necessity (§ 8 WaffG) (Necessity is automatically assumed present for licensed hunters and owners of a carry permits (Waffenschein)).

Persons who are

• convicted felons
• have a record of mental disorder or
• are deemed unreliable (which includes people with drug or alcohol addiction histories and known violent or aggressive persons)

are barred from obtaining a firearms ownership license.

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Firearms are allowed in Germany. Not even cops can take their firearms home in the UK. BTW, where is Germany on this list?

-S

Yes there are weapons, but you must have a special license to be allowed to have one ( and not everyone gets one, you must have a special reason to own one) and even then you mustn't carry them around with you, have to lock them in a steel locker separated from ammunition. So there is no way you can use them for self defence. That is why I pointed out the low German crimes numbers.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Looks like you can carry in Germany too:

Not really. Permits to own a weapon does not mean you are allowed to carry.
But is is a pain in the behind to get a permit in the first place. Nowdays, you even need a permit for weapons that can only shoot blanks.

In much of Europe only the criminals have firearms. Either before or after a firearm is aquired. But I digress, what is the definition of violent crime in the various European countries? That seems to me to be a good starting point. If one really wants to clear this all up.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Thomen

Not really. Permits to own a weapon does not mean you are allowed to carry.
But is is a pain in the behind to get a permit in the first place. Nowdays, you even need a permit for weapons that can only shoot blanks.

I figured it would be hard, but hunters is on the list?

-S

[Letum]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

the definition of violent crime is even across the EU and America.

:rotfl:
The definitions of violent crime are not even standardized in the different
countries within the UK, let alone Europe and the US.

The last (controversial) set of changes to the violent crime definition in
England are not used in Scotland. Other EU countries have utterly different
recording methods and parameters.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Letum

:rotfl:
The definitions of violent crime are not even standardized in the different
countries within the UK, let alone Europe and the US.

The last (controversial) set of changes to the violent crime definition in
England are not used in Scotland. Other EU countries have utterly different
recording methods and parameters.

What are they?

One thing you will notice in the report is that they counted the same crimes across the board. We should find out if this was used to determine the numbers for the various countries.

-S

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I figured it would be hard, but hunters is on the list?

-S

And thats about all thats on the list of private persons. And even those have a lot of restriction on how, what, when and where they are allowed to transport, carry, maintain and secure their firearms.

As Schroeder said, it is virtually impossible to use them for self defense thanks to those restrictions and regulations.

[XabbaRus]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

The reason for the flame bait is to turn the thread into what it is not.

All I see above is someone throwing out the source of the article, not the source of the information as the reason to discount it. The source of the information is not the DailyMail.

So I'm waiting for someone to disprove the information.

BTW, the definition of violent crime is even across the EU and America. So while the same thing may not apply for an undeveloped country, it does for all others.

So, who is the first to disprove this? Let me guess, NONE OF YOU CAN!

-S

PS. Can we get back on track? Or do we have to start a brand new thread on the subject?

Subman if you knew anything about anything with the daily mail then the source of the information ie the Daily Mail is enough to discredit the statistics AS PRESENTED BY THE DAILY MAIL.

Noone here is discrediting the source of the information. But you haven'tpulished that and so we can't see how it is broken down. Jimbuna here is a recently retired police officer of the UK police so if anyone here was going to accept and agree with the Daily Mail's article I'm sure he would.

So given it is the Daily Mail then I would say it is misleading. Letme find the source of their information and look at the breakdown and what is counted as violent crime, and as someone says look at the murder/manslaughter rates and you will get a better picture.

Something I have noticed with you subman is that you seem to enjoy taking a swipe at the UK from time to time....why is that?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Thomen

And thats about all thats on the list of private persons. And even those have a lot of restriction on how, what, when and where they are allowed to transport, carry, maintain and secure their firearms.

As Schroeder said, it is virtually impossible to use them for self defense thanks to those restrictions and regulations.

It must mean you guys are just more courteous than the rest of Europe as a whole.

-S

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

It must mean you guys are just more courteous than the rest of Europe as a whole.

-S

Nah.. we still got fists, knives, swords, axes, clubs and cars.

[XabbaRus]

In Britain, an affray is considered a violent crime, while in other countries it will only be logged if a person is physically injured.

OK so this is an example from the article that the same crime can be seen in two different ways.

Also this report was compiled by the Tories with their own spin on as we are coming up for an election within the year and the Tories want to make as much mud as possible stick to Labour.