The most violent countries - Europe - Think the USA has the most violent crimes?

[SUBMAN1]

The reason for the flame bait is to turn the thread into what it is not.

All I see above is someone throwing out the source of the article, not the source of the information as the reason to discount it. The source of the information is not the DailyMail.

So I'm waiting for someone to disprove the information.

BTW, the definition of violent crime is even across the EU and America. So while the same thing may not apply for an undeveloped country, it does for all others.

So, who is the first to disprove this? Let me guess, NONE OF YOU CAN!

-S

PS. Can we get back on track? Or do we have to start a brand new thread on the subject?

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

BTW, the definition of violent crime is even across the EU and America. So while the same thing may not apply for an undeveloped country, it does for all others.

How about you prove that statement first.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

How about you prove that statement first.

Sorry. No need to. I asked for you to prove mine first. Read the report if you feel like seeing what countries define what as violent.

-S

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Sorry. No need to. I asked for you to prove mine first. Read the report if you feel like seeing what countries define what as violent.

-S

You're asking other people to disprove your empty statements? How about you prove the US isn't the most violent western industrialised nation.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

You're asking other people to disprove your empty statements? How about you prove the US isn't the most violent western industrialised nation.

Join the discussion about it instead of making misleading accusations. Its called - being constructive.

-S

[Biggles]

Yes for this thread is really constructive...what is the purpose of this thread again? I cannot see a clear starting point at the first post, from which we can discuss anything of importance/relevance to anything.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Biggles

Yes for this thread is really constructive...what is the purpose of this thread again? I cannot see a clear starting point at the first post, from which we can discuss anything of importance/relevans to anything.

Using that definition, we can see Biggles classifies any thread on Subsim to be irrelevant.

-S

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Join the discussion about it instead of making misleading accusations. Its called - being constructive.

-S

That's something you're not doing.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

That's something you're not doing.

What? By trying to get it back on track? You my friend are trying to derail it.

-S

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

You're asking other people to disprove your empty statements? How about you prove the US isn't the most violent western industrialised nation.

It is impossible to prove a negative. Just saying. Perhaps it would be easier to prove the premise wrong.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

How about you prove that statement first.

its fact.

not all nations have the same laws.

Assault - wherein you threaten the use of violence

Battery - wherein you USE violence

they both might be considered a violent crime in Country "A"

but in country "B" - assault might not be considered a "violent crime" by their legal definitions.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

its fact.

not all nations have the same laws.

Assault - wherein you threaten the use of violence

Battery - wherein you USE violence

they both might be considered a violent crime in Country "A"

but in country "B" - assault might not be considered a "violent crime" by their legal definitions.

Those are the definitions used in the USA, though most people assume assault is physically hurting that person. All of the EU as far as I understand have the same definition.

-S

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Those are the definitions used in the USA, though most people assume assault is physically hurting that person. All of the EU as far as I understand have the same definition.

-S

you are correct... however - on a global scale, the definition of various crimes may vary slightly.

[Biggles]

Let's see what wikipedia says about the matter of murder rates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

["Homicide rates per 100,000 population by region and subregion, 2004"[

North America, 6.5 (rate)

Europe, 5.4 (rate)

[Schroeder]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

So, who is the first to disprove this? Let me guess, NONE OF YOU CAN!

Let's see. Your embassy over here says that the current violent crime rate in the US is 20 crimes per 1000 citizens.: http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance/viort.htm

The police in the UK registered 1,158,957 violent crimes in 2007 . http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/por...lent_crime.pdf
1,158,957 divided by 60,578,000 people equals in a rate of: 0.0191316 cases per citizen or 19.1316 cases per 1000 citizens.

As the European police report indicates the UK numbers are outstandingly high in western Europe. In countries like Germany with strict weapon restrictions the crime rate is much lower. We have only 217,923 crimes for ca. 82,000,000 people equalling in a crime rate of 2,6 violent crimes per 1000 people.