He's a Muslim He's not a Muslim

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Blacklight

Franky, it saddens me that a person can't get elected president in this country without being "religious" to a certain extent. An atheist, for instance, would NEVER be able to be elected in this country. A person's religion shouldn't even be coming into this debate. This country is built on the concept of "freedom of religion". There is also supposed to be a separation of church and state that the Religious Right seem to have forgotten.
I don't understand why it would be such a controversy and so horrible if someone who just happened to be of another religion aside from "Christian" or no religion at all were elected. To a certain HUGE demographic, it would be the end of civilization as we know it.
And what the far Right is doing to the Muslims is just plain wrong. All they're doing is adding to the fire that Joe Redneck who doesn't exist outside his own little protected world is kindling over his fear of anything not completely familiar to him in his closed little world.

By intention of the founding fathers and the historic documents they authored, the US is a great design and a noble vision. But it got hijacked, namely by big business, and by religious zealots. It's like having blood and bone cancer at the same time. It destroys from within.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by eddie

When Rep. Keith Ellison from Minnesota was sworn in, instead of having his hand on the Bible, he used a very historic copy of the Koran. You know who it originally belonged to? It was none other then Thomas Jefferson,lol

Ellison's district is mainly made up of Christian"s too! That district includes Minneapolis!

I have heard Ellision speak a few times, he needs to be voted out, he is a dangerous fool.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by August

It's not so much the religion itself but rather the lie he's told if the claim is true (I don't believe it BTW). Americans want their presidents to be seen as honest and truthful at all times.

It's why the Republicans were able to make so much political hay over Bill Clinton having sex with Monica Lewinsky. It wasn't the illicit sex itself, it wasn't even the desecration of the oval office, it was Clinton going on TV and wagging his finger in the face of the American people while telling them a bald faced lie. Had he come clean the issue would have quickly faded but his lie gave it legs far beyond it's expiration date.

That's also why the Democrats accused the Bush administration of deliberately lying about Saddams WMD instead of just being taken in by the same bad intel that they are on record as believing before he took office. Few would have cared if Bush was just wrong but when you add an element of deception and suddenly people care a great deal which was the whole point of making the accusation in the first place.

Had the parties been reversed in both situations the accusations would still have been made.

Yes, and yes.

Clinton outright lied, which peeved the hell outta people.

Bush did too. But the difference between Clintons lie and Bushes lie was 6000+ American dead, many more thousands maimed. And hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq.

Who gives a crap if Obama is a Muslim?

Far right wackos do. Same far right wackos who scream second amendment after every gun rampage, then forget about the first amendment allowing you to pray to whatever invisible spook in the sky you wanted to.

[nikimcbee]

ya'll are wrong, He's Jewish now.


Oi veh!