He's a Muslim He's not a Muslim

[August]

Originally Posted by mapuc

But why this nervous about his believes ??

Markus

It's not so much the religion itself but rather the lie he's told if the claim is true (I don't believe it BTW). Americans want their presidents to be seen as honest and truthful at all times.

It's why the Republicans were able to make so much political hay over Bill Clinton having sex with Monica Lewinsky. It wasn't the illicit sex itself, it wasn't even the desecration of the oval office, it was Clinton going on TV and wagging his finger in the face of the American people while telling them a bald faced lie. Had he come clean the issue would have quickly faded but his lie gave it legs far beyond it's expiration date.

That's also why the Democrats accused the Bush administration of deliberately lying about Saddams WMD instead of just being taken in by the same bad intel that they are on record as believing before he took office. Few would have cared if Bush was just wrong but when you add an element of deception and suddenly people care a great deal which was the whole point of making the accusation in the first place.

Had the parties been reversed in both situations the accusations would still have been made.

[mapuc]

^ August, that could be some of the answer to it.

But as I have asked some of my friends on Facebook, after they have posted some links about Obama's believes

I asked them this

"So what, what can he do as the president of USA, if he is a muslim-not much, he can't turn USA into a Sharia from the one day to an another"

But if he is a muslim, he should have told the american that.

If you ask me if I believe, if he's a muslim or not

I really don't care- That could be because that I know, that the president of the USA is not that powerfull as many think it is.

He have some powerfull things he can do- He can by own hand attack a country but he can't start a war(declare war on his own)

and many other things

Markus

[Skybird]

There are substantial, basic and most profound total incompatabiloties between Islamic ideology on the one hand, and Western values that are claimed by Western policies and societies on their behalf, and that both are basing on these. That is why it is not just any important but a vital question whether political actors act on the grounds of Islamic values or not.

And since you can act on behalf of Islamic values without formally claiming to be Muslim yourself, may it be for reasons of appeasement and fear, or reasons of misled tolerance and "meaning it well", the question indeed is not whether or not Obama formally cofnesses to beMuslim or not, but the quesiton is does he act in help of deceiving people over Islam, glossing over it, and helping it to spread, or does he help to spread education about Islam, containing its global claim for dominance and superiority.

Since his unbelievable propaganda stunt that now is known as his "Cairo speech", the answer to this vital question is obvious. I do not know ehther hje is a secret Muslim,a nd I do not carew. What he does, and what he aims at and indicates he wants to accomplish - this is what makes me an enemy of him.

WillRomney be b etter? I absolutely doubt it. Business is business. Dependency is dependency. And as a M ormon Romney cannot claim to be free of believing in - in Mormons' case especially hilarious - hallucinations. Only the stories told by Ron Hubbard tops the Mormon genesis. Mormons or scientologists, Obama or Romney - its the choice between plague and cholera. They all four get my middle finger.

I recommend - once again, I linked it several times now - to compare the UN declaration of human rights , and the Islamic human rights declaration. Both are lightyears apart and in several most important issues they are antagonistic and mutually exlcusive. You can have the one only at the price of rejecting the other - YOU CANNOT HAVE BOTH.

Regarding Yubba'S thread on the democrats concention, these American conventions are freak shows anyway, Micky Mouse parades and a monumental display or stellar narcism and blown up egos. Seen that way, religious pharisees who take it upon them to give this madness their ver own, very precious, very personal blessing - , perfectly matches the gneral lunacy on display. On the other hand, one must ask what business religious imposters have to do in politics, why they get invited to political conventions, and why religion and politics get mixed when the the founding documents of the US clearly indicate that there shall be a strict separation between religions and pltics. As I see it, religion shall have no seat at the table of politics.

But is it really about politics anyway?

[yubba]

The first amendent gives him the right to practice any religion he wants, as long as he does not go against the constitution because of his beleifs, but so far there seems to be a problem with seperation of state and the koran. And if he is a koran thumping, prayer rug toatin muslim, he can lie to get his agenda, because the koran says it's ok. The choice is yours who you want to vote for just be careful what you wish for. You need to see the movie 2016.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by yubba

The first amendent gives him the right to practice any religion he wants, as long as he does not go against the constitution because of his beleifs, but so far there seems to be a problem with seperation of state and the koran. And if he is a koran thumping, prayer rug toatin muslim, he can lie to get his agenda, because the koran says it's ok. The choice is yours who you want to vote for just be careful what you wish for. You need to see the movie 2016.

I haven't got the time right now, but I going to see this 2016.

I have though been seeking the 2016 movie on youtube to see what it's all about

It looks like one of those conspiracy videos-Nothing wrong with that-Just remember to have your brain engaged and use your common sense, when watching that type of videos

Markus

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by August

It's not so much the religion itself but rather the lie he's told if the claim is true (I don't believe it BTW). Americans want their presidents to be seen as honest and truthful at all times.

It's why the Republicans were able to make so much political hay over Bill Clinton having sex with Monica Lewinsky. It wasn't the illicit sex itself, it wasn't even the desecration of the oval office, it was Clinton going on TV and wagging his finger in the face of the American people while telling them a bald faced lie. Had he come clean the issue would have quickly faded but his lie gave it legs far beyond it's expiration date.

That's also why the Democrats accused the Bush administration of deliberately lying about Saddams WMD instead of just being taken in by the same bad intel that they are on record as believing before he took office. Few would have cared if Bush was just wrong but when you add an element of deception and suddenly people care a great deal which was the whole point of making the accusation in the first place.

Had the parties been reversed in both situations the accusations would still have been made.

Yes, and yes.

Clinton outright lied, which peeved the hell outta people.

Bush did too. But the difference between Clintons lie and Bushes lie was 6000+ American dead, many more thousands maimed. And hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths in Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Iraq.

Who gives a crap if Obama is a Muslim?

Far right wackos do. Same far right wackos who scream second amendment after every gun rampage, then forget about the first amendment allowing you to pray to whatever invisible spook in the sky you wanted to.

[nikimcbee]

ya'll are wrong, He's Jewish now.


Oi veh!