Stiebler_Addon_for_V16A3. (Patch) - Page 3

LGN1 · 11-17-11, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by andqui

If/When I get the cam ships to work, will changing them to a warship type change their appearance in the game? I thought ships in the random layer used the type to put a random suitable ship in place- if it's designated as a warship, will that lead to problems?

thanks

You will hardly see the CAM ship in GWX because there are only very few generic British type=8 entries before June '43. For seeing the CAM ship more frequently in convoys, you will have to do some changes to the campaign files.

Stiebler · 11-18-11, 03:56 AM

It seems that the problems with my Addon Patch are always due to the CAM-ship.

The description by Fitzcarraldo and HW3 of a crash at about 70-75% of loading are classic symptoms of an error in the campaign_RND.mis file (or possibly the campaign_SCR.mis file, depends on their relative sizes, but usually the _RND.mis file is much larger than the _SCR.mis file). Since my patch does not change either of these two campaign files, it is certain that people are making errors in installing their CAM-ships.

The CAM-ship mod serves only to prevent the annoying problem, that the CAM-ship behaves like an aircraft carrier (allows aircraft to fly continually, instead of only once). If you do not have a CAM-ship in your installation, then my mod serves no purpose. Don't try to install a CAM-ship as type 8, and the CAM-fix part of my Addon Patch will be ignored.

Anyone who wants to persist with the CAM-ship should download NYGM and see how it is implemented in the NYGM files. Look for 'M36B' in the campaign_RND.mis file, in the Sea folder (silenthunteriii\data\sea\M36B\M36B.cfg), and in the roster folder (silenthunteriii\data\roster\sea\british\). Finally, check the changes you have made by attempting to load your campaign_RND.mis file into Mission Editor. That will show any serious errors.

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Has anyone got any feedback on the how well (or badly) the asdic-fix-for-shallow-waters functions?

Stiebler.

chrisglen · 11-18-11, 08:01 AM

Hi Stiebler, ive had variable results with it at the moment and am currently in a mid 1941 in the north channel trying to get away from a destroyer while in 80m waters. I have found its easier to brake contact in <50m but you have so much less room to maneuver.
I have also managed to attack a convoy in mid Atlantic in rough seas by slipping past an escort at periscope depth at a distance of 50m or less on silent running!
Does sea state play a part in detection?

Fish In The Water · 11-18-11, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiebler

The description by Fitzcarraldo and HW3 of a crash at about 70-75% of loading are classic symptoms of an error in the campaign_RND.mis file (or possibly the campaign_SCR.mis file, depends on their relative sizes, but usually the _RND.mis file is much larger than the _SCR.mis file). Since my patch does not change either of these two campaign files, it is certain that people are making errors in installing their CAM-ships.

Agreed. I've had no issues with the patch whatsoever and based on the descriptions it certainly does sound like a fault in the campaign layer.

andqui · 11-18-11, 12:42 PM

I disabled the CAM ship mod, and did not change any of those ship's entries, and the game loads now. Guess I'll just live without that one fix.

fitzcarraldo · 11-18-11, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish In The Water

Agreed. I've had no issues with the patch whatsoever and based on the descriptions it certainly does sound like a fault in the campaign layer.

My campaign file is the "Wilhelmshaven v6 GWX Merged Campaign". In this campaign file, I added the AI subs of V16A H.sie patch.

I´ll test the patch without the CAM ships.

Regards.

Fitzcarraldo

fitzcarraldo · 11-18-11, 05:14 PM

...And I tested the patch without CAM ship option (unchecked): all work fine now, loading with Commander and the last Torpedo Failures patch by H.sie.

There is some problem with the CAM I don´t know...

Best regards.

Fitzcarraldo

Stiebler · 11-19-11, 03:37 AM

@ChrisGlen:

Many thanks for your feedback on asdic detection in shallow waters.

Quote:

I have also managed to attack a convoy in mid Atlantic in rough seas by slipping past an escort at periscope depth at a distance of 50m or less on silent running!
Does sea state play a part in detection?

Yes it does, this is part of the original stock SH3 behaviour, and is correct.

@Fitzcarraldo, Andqui:
I am glad to read that you can now use my patch safely.

Stiebler.

Rhodes · 11-21-11, 06:16 PM

Got CTD! I think I did everything right and enable the addon after the supplement fold of V16A3.
This part of Andqui post: "4. Copied the .cfg's for the three CAM ships, added the air group, and changed the unit type to 8" I did not do it, since I could not understand what is this step.
I experiment in desabling the fix of the cam ship but got also CTD! I thinking of deleting the cam ship files, since for me, it's not something important to the game. Should I go for it?
All the ctd were without sh3 commander.

frau kaleun · 11-21-11, 06:24 PM

The .cfg file in the data\Sea folder for your CAM-ship(s) will have a line for Unit type, which needs to be 8 (not 100 or maybe 102 or whatever it is now).

I think you also need to go into the Roster folder and find the .cfg file(s) for the same ship(s) - IIRC this should only be the British roster - and change the Unit type in those files to 8. The only CAM-ship I have is M36B so that was the only one I changed but I changed it in both places.

OTOH, I don't know for sure if this is correct, I just know that I got an error from Mission Editor when I tried to open my campaign files after installing the Add-On files... which went away when I changed the Unit type in the appropriate Roster .cfg file as well. I have not loaded the game yet to confirm this, though.

Stiebler · 11-22-11, 04:08 AM

Yes, that is correct.

Change the Unit Type to 8 for your CAM-ship* in 3 places:

1. In data\campaigns\campaign\campaign_RND.mis file (if that is where you have placed your CAM-ship*). In this file, 'Unit Type' is called simply 'Type='.
2. In data\sea\CAM-ship*.cfg
3. In data\roster\british\sea\CAM-Ship*.cfg.

(*Where "CAM-ship" refers to the actual ship you are using. It will normally be IABL's M36B ship.)

Then try to load your revised campaign_RND.mis file into Mission Editor. If it complains (or crashes), you haven't made the changes correctly.

Stiebler.

Stiebler.

Rhodes · 11-22-11, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiebler

Yes, that is correct.

Change the Unit Type to 8 for your CAM-ship* in 3 places:

1. In data\campaigns\campaign\campaign_RND.mis file (if that is where you have placed your CAM-ship*). In this file, 'Unit Type' is called simply 'Type='.

Stiebler.

POssibly my error, because I did not place anything in that file. Or I can not understand what you mean. I did look into it, but could find the cam-ship type.

SquareSteelBar · 11-22-11, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhodes

...I did look into it, but could find the cam-ship type.

Look for M36B

Rhodes · 11-22-11, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SquareSteelBar

Look for M36B

That was what I did and got the "did not find" message!

SquareSteelBar · 11-22-11, 08:38 AM

In both files Campaign_RND.mis and Campaign_SCR.mis ?

Otherwise:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stiebler

...If you do not have a CAM-ship in your installation, then my mod serves no purpose. Don't try to install a CAM-ship as type 8, and the CAM-fix part of my Addon Patch will be ignored...

11-18-11, 03:56 AM	#32
Stiebler Fuel Supplier Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,237 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 4	It seems that the problems with my Addon Patch are always due to the CAM-ship. The description by Fitzcarraldo and HW3 of a crash at about 70-75% of loading are classic symptoms of an error in the campaign_RND.mis file (or possibly the campaign_SCR.mis file, depends on their relative sizes, but usually the _RND.mis file is much larger than the _SCR.mis file). Since my patch does not change either of these two campaign files, it is certain that people are making errors in installing their CAM-ships. The CAM-ship mod serves only to prevent the annoying problem, that the CAM-ship behaves like an aircraft carrier (allows aircraft to fly continually, instead of only once). If you do not have a CAM-ship in your installation, then my mod serves no purpose. Don't try to install a CAM-ship as type 8, and the CAM-fix part of my Addon Patch will be ignored. Anyone who wants to persist with the CAM-ship should download NYGM and see how it is implemented in the NYGM files. Look for 'M36B' in the campaign_RND.mis file, in the Sea folder (silenthunteriii\data\sea\M36B\M36B.cfg), and in the roster folder (silenthunteriii\data\roster\sea\british\). Finally, check the changes you have made by attempting to load your campaign_RND.mis file into Mission Editor. That will show any serious errors. ************* Has anyone got any feedback on the how well (or badly) the asdic-fix-for-shallow-waters functions? Stiebler. __________________ NYGM Tonnage War Mod - More than a mod: it's an experience! Last edited by Stiebler; 11-19-11 at 04:15 AM.

11-18-11, 08:01 AM	#33
chrisglen Nub Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3 Downloads: 444 Uploads: 0	asdic-fix-for-shallow-waters Hi Stiebler, ive had variable results with it at the moment and am currently in a mid 1941 in the north channel trying to get away from a destroyer while in 80m waters. I have found its easier to brake contact in <50m but you have so much less room to maneuver. I have also managed to attack a convoy in mid Atlantic in rough seas by slipping past an escort at periscope depth at a distance of 50m or less on silent running! Does sea state play a part in detection?

11-18-11, 05:14 PM	#37
fitzcarraldo Argentinian Skipper Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Somewhere between Buenos Aires and the Bungo Suido Posts: 5,318 Downloads: 3345 Uploads: 0	...And I tested the patch without CAM ship option (unchecked): all work fine now, loading with Commander and the last Torpedo Failures patch by H.sie. There is some problem with the CAM I don´t know... Best regards. Fitzcarraldo __________________ *My subject is War, and the pity of War. The Poetry is in the pity - Wilfred Owen.*

11-21-11, 06:16 PM	#39
Rhodes Silent Hunter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Figueira da Foz, Portugal Posts: 4,517 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	Got CTD! I think I did everything right and enable the addon after the supplement fold of V16A3. This part of Andqui post: "4. Copied the .cfg's for the three CAM ships, added the air group, and changed the unit type to 8" I did not do it, since I could not understand what is this step. I experiment in desabling the fix of the cam ship but got also CTD! I thinking of deleting the cam ship files, since for me, it's not something important to the game. Should I go for it? All the ctd were without sh3 commander. __________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/16416646@N05/

11-22-11, 04:08 AM	#41
Stiebler Fuel Supplier Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,237 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 4	Yes, that is correct. Change the Unit Type to 8 for your CAM-ship* in 3 places: 1. In data\campaigns\campaign\campaign_RND.mis file (if that is where you have placed your CAM-ship). In this file, 'Unit Type' is called simply 'Type='. 2. In data\sea\CAM-ship.cfg 3. In data\roster\british\sea\CAM-Ship.cfg. (Where "CAM-ship" refers to the actual ship you are using. It will normally be IABL's M36B ship.) Then try to load your revised campaign_RND.mis file into Mission Editor. If it complains (or crashes), you haven't made the changes correctly. Stiebler. Stiebler. __________________ NYGM Tonnage War Mod - More than a mod: it's an experience!

11-18-11, 12:42 PM	#35
andqui Soundman Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 149 Downloads: 195 Uploads: 0	I disabled the CAM ship mod, and did not change any of those ship's entries, and the game loads now. Guess I'll just live without that one fix.

11-21-11, 06:24 PM	#40
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0	The .cfg file in the data\Sea folder for your CAM-ship(s) will have a line for Unit type, which needs to be 8 (not 100 or maybe 102 or whatever it is now). I think you also need to go into the Roster folder and find the .cfg file(s) for the same ship(s) - IIRC this should only be the British roster - and change the Unit type in those files to 8. The only CAM-ship I have is M36B so that was the only one I changed but I changed it in both places. OTOH, I don't know for sure if this is correct, I just know that I got an error from Mission Editor when I tried to open my campaign files after installing the Add-On files... which went away when I changed the Unit type in the appropriate Roster .cfg file as well. I have not loaded the game yet to confirm this, though.