[REQ] Navigation bouys in SH5 - Page 3

Zedi · 05-09-11, 02:24 PM

Very confusing. Seems like this system is not universal and was not valid in ww2.

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These lights and marks are prescribed across the world by the International Association of Lighthouse Authorities (IALA). In 1977 this IALA endorsed two maritime buoyage systems putting an end to the 30 odd systems existing at that time. Region A - IALA A covers all of Europe and most of the rest of the world, whereas region B - IALA B covers only the Americas, Japan, the Philippines and Korea. Fortunately, the differences between these two systems are few. The most striking difference is the direction of buoyage.

Quoting from this site:

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Generally speaking, green markers are kept to the RIGHT when leaving a harbor and red markers are kept to the RIGHT when returning to harbor, thus coining the phrase, "Red, Right , Returning".

So that means.. I have red light on my right side when I enter in port and green when I leave it. Im a total noob regarding these stuff, so someone with sailing experience pls clarify these things.

LtzS_Petersen · 05-09-11, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LtzS_Petersen

The green Buoys are on the Starbord Side (Right, if you look ahead), when you enter the Port. When you leave, Red are on your right Side.
In Europe. America use red Paint for the Starbord Buoys.

I think, this System wasnt use during the War, cause its from 1978. But i didnt find anything about the System in Germany during the War. The Book "Leuchtfeuer und Signalstellen" (ETsd4 show this) isnt cheap to get. 153 Euros...

The Light Sequences are different, so you can count the Flashes and look in the Chart, which Buoy you pass. So there was no Mistake about the Position of the Ship. You can mix it, if you have only two Versions of them. But steady Lights wasnt used on Buoys, cause you can confound it with the Position Light of a Ship.
Orange Buoys u can use to mark some special Areas, like Shooting Ranges ore similar. What color have the Danger Buoys?

Zedi · 05-09-11, 03:44 PM

Danger bouys are yellow.

But im very confused now. You say "When you leave, Red are on your right Side" and most of the nautical websites says "green markers are kept to the RIGHT when leaving a harbor". So what should I do now? Or green on right when leaving port is used in US only?

Budds · 05-09-11, 03:54 PM

Yes I was confused at first as well,,,,,,,,,,

I have never had the chance to navigate Europes waters !

There is a system for your region :
http://cgate.co.il/eng/Seamanship/buoy_lateral.htm

"IALA A Covers Europe, Africa, Australia and most of Asia.
IALA B Covers North and South America, Japan and Philippines."

Helps?

**edit**

From all I could gather...
Marker colors were just starting to follow standards at that time, but was in no way "Universal".
Some were black, some were mere wood poles, some Harbors chose their own colors !
I'm sure with more research it could be found what was used for the time period and a specifc area .... maybe...lol...

Zedi · 05-09-11, 04:12 PM

Aight, then this is it.

IALA A covers Europe, Africa, Australia and most of Asia.
Entrance to harbour -
Green light in STARBORD side
Red light in PORT side

IALA B covers North and South America, Japan and Philippines.
Entrance to harbour -
Green light in PORTside
Red light in STARBORD side

crist.. my eyes are flashing now.

Thanks folks!

LtzS_Petersen · 05-09-11, 06:22 PM

SH5 plays on german Side, so i would prefer german Rules. So you can place the Buoys like in the Chart, that i posted before. I think its easier than use the american Rules, cause you can place the Buoys like in the Chart.

Coming Home= green to green.

The Danger Buoys yuo can use like you want, some are shown in the Chart on dangerous Sands.

THE_MASK · 05-09-11, 06:43 PM

Danger will robinson

THE_MASK · 05-09-11, 06:53 PM

Is it possible to script harbor traffic to follow a narrow path , IE following a navigation path thru a channel ?

stoianm · 05-09-11, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sober

Danger will robinson

awsome... very nice sober

stoianm · 05-09-11, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sober

Is it possible to script harbor traffic to follow a narrow path , IE following a navigation path thru a channel ?

I think yes

... zedi show me something yesterday and i remember that you can well define port trafic

Zedi · 05-10-11, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sober

Is it possible to script harbor traffic to follow a narrow path , IE following a navigation path thru a channel ?

Yes. Its a bit tricky because somethimes the ai tend to get stuck, but with patience and a lot of testing everything is possible. And now we have buoys.. getting out and in the port with tc1 is just awesome.

@LtzS_Petersen
Im using IALA A for Europe and IALA B for US.. not sure about the last part, but now Ive got more people willing to help with the campaign, maybe we can rework the US ports too. Thank you all for the help, much appreciated.

LtzS_Petersen · 05-10-11, 02:33 AM

That will be perfect.

The Sands in Sobers Pictures are perfect for some Danger Buoys.

Will the Position of the Buoys shown in the Map too?

05-10-11, 03:17 AM

As far as i remember a friend of mine saying, US buoy system is different than the one for the rest of the world. I don't know if it already was during WW2, but i think it was.
Difference is, (afair) that the direction of the path is different. If in europe red buoys are on the port side of the ship when entering harbour, it would be red buoys on the starboard side of the ship when entering harbour in US.
I have no direct source for this, but it might be worth to search for some maps.

Zedi · 05-10-11, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KarlKoch

As far as i remember a friend of mine saying, US buoy system is different than the one for the rest of the world. I don't know if it already was during WW2, but i think it was.
Difference is, (afair) that the direction of the path is different. If in europe red buoys are on the port side of the ship when entering harbour, it would be red buoys on the starboard side of the ship when entering harbour in US.
I have no direct source for this, but it might be worth to search for some maps.

Thats correct.. IALA A and IALA B, see me post on the top of this page. Is what I will use in the game in every major port.

05-10-11, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Zedi

Thats correct.. IALA A and IALA B, see me post on the top of this page. Is what I will use in the game in every major port.

Whoops, seems as if i missed half of your post. Sorry for that. Good work.

05-09-11, 03:44 PM	#33
Zedi Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,845 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 2	Danger bouys are yellow. But im very confused now. You say "When you leave, Red are on your right Side" and most of the nautical websites says "green markers are kept to the RIGHT when leaving a harbor". So what should I do now? Or green on right when leaving port is used in US only?

05-09-11, 03:54 PM	#34
Budds Bosun Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 68 Downloads: 236 Uploads: 0	Yes I was confused at first as well,,,,,,,,,, I have never had the chance to navigate Europes waters ! There is a system for your region : http://cgate.co.il/eng/Seamanship/buoy_lateral.htm "IALA A Covers Europe, Africa, Australia and most of Asia. IALA B Covers North and South America, Japan and Philippines." Helps? edit From all I could gather... Marker colors were just starting to follow standards at that time, but was in no way "Universal". Some were black, some were mere wood poles, some Harbors chose their own colors ! I'm sure with more research it could be found what was used for the time period and a specifc area .... maybe...lol...

05-09-11, 04:12 PM	#35
Zedi Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,845 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 2	Aight, then this is it. IALA A covers Europe, Africa, Australia and most of Asia. Entrance to harbour - Green light in STARBORD side Red light in PORT side IALA B covers North and South America, Japan and Philippines. Entrance to harbour - Green light in PORTside Red light in STARBORD side crist.. my eyes are flashing now. Thanks folks!

05-09-11, 06:22 PM	#36
LtzS_Petersen Captain Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 117 Downloads: 111 Uploads: 0	SH5 plays on german Side, so i would prefer german Rules. So you can place the Buoys like in the Chart, that i posted before. I think its easier than use the american Rules, cause you can place the Buoys like in the Chart. Coming Home= green to green. The Danger Buoys yuo can use like you want, some are shown in the Chart on dangerous Sands.

05-09-11, 06:43 PM	#37
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Danger will robinson

05-09-11, 06:53 PM	#38
THE_MASK Ace of the deep . Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 9,226 Downloads: 901 Uploads: 73	Is it possible to script harbor traffic to follow a narrow path , IE following a navigation path thru a channel ?

05-10-11, 02:33 AM	#42
LtzS_Petersen Captain Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 117 Downloads: 111 Uploads: 0	That will be perfect. The Sands in Sobers Pictures are perfect for some Danger Buoys. Will the Position of the Buoys shown in the Map too?

05-10-11, 03:17 AM	#43
KarlKoch Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	As far as i remember a friend of mine saying, US buoy system is different than the one for the rest of the world. I don't know if it already was during WW2, but i think it was. Difference is, (afair) that the direction of the path is different. If in europe red buoys are on the port side of the ship when entering harbour, it would be red buoys on the starboard side of the ship when entering harbour in US. I have no direct source for this, but it might be worth to search for some maps.