Correction of torpedo damage power in SH4 - Page 3

skwasjer · 11-22-08, 05:52 PM

Welcome to the world of modding :rotfl:

Now think of the time and effort put in some of the bigger mods...

Carry on sailor!

Gorshkov · 11-22-08, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skwasjer

Now think of the time and effort put in some of the bigger mods...

But for ten to thirty times larger modding teams than mine! :rotfl:

skwasjer · 11-22-08, 07:05 PM

There's no mod team here with 10 people or more (PTO anyway). Make no mistake, the fact that 20+ people contributed to ie. RFB does not mean the team is that big. Only a handful of guys have worked on it for well over a year. Same for TMO, one man show. What you are doing now does not compare even remotely (no disrespect, each modder deserves appreciation).

You are using S3D as well as I read, a project that took 1.5 years to date pretty much daily some hours of work. By one man.

Anyway, I was just welcoming you to modding, and wanted to highlight that modding takes alot of time, effort and comes with alot of frustration. I was asking you to picture and appreciate what many of us have gone through before you...

Cheers, skwas

Gorshkov · 11-22-08, 07:42 PM

Anyway in every modding team you must also include often external beta-testers without whom no mod would be finished. Besides I do not have much experience in modding as others.

keltos01 · 11-22-08, 08:15 PM

modding is a hard long road... welcome to modding !!!

and as Skwasjer said, don't think there are many big teams outthere... ours is small too !

keltos

tater · 11-23-08, 02:12 AM

The RFB "team" is smaller that you imagine.

It's also larger than you imagine, I suppose, largely because of skwas. Now anyone with a bright idea can try it! S3D is the best thing for SH, ever. Anyone saying otherwise would need a mental health professional, or would have some irrational axe to grind.

A couple days ago, you were a bitching user, now you are a modder!

tater

Fish40 · 11-23-08, 05:05 AM

[quote]BTW, if your RL u-boat (or fleet boat) skipper had been able to stick around, he would have scuttled that "total loss" ship using either an extra fish, or the DG. Period. So if you want to count them as sunk, add another torpedo to the number it required to sink (meaning that you add a "damaged" with however many hits it did take, and a sunk with that number plus one.

The scene in "Das Boot" comes to mind, when they needed to finish off the severely damaged Tanker that wouldn't go down

@Gorshkov: Good luck with your mod. I'm a stickler for realism, and if this proves to have historic results, I'll definitely give it a try

Rockin Robbins · 11-23-08, 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorshkov

Anyway in every modding team you must also include often external beta-testers without whom no mod would be finished. Besides I do not have much experience in modding as others.

And every modding team neads a useless guy like me who just uses his big mouth to promote the mod, make fun of the team members and then make mods to break the mod.

That makes me court jester, beta tester to destruction, and sabateur. I'm indispensible!

(why'd my password to kickinbak just quit working?)

Orion2012 · 11-23-08, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorshkov

Anyway in every modding team you must also include often external beta-testers without whom no mod would be finished. Besides I do not have much experience in modding as others.

And every modding team neads a useless guy like me who just uses his big mouth to promote the mod, make fun of the team members and then make mods to break the mod.

That makes me court jester, beta tester to destruction, and sabateur. I'm indispensible!

(why'd my password to kickinbak just quit working?)

That's wierd, I had trouble getting the sight to come up last night too, saying password incorrect. Perhaps sight issues? It's working now though.

Gorshkov · 11-23-08, 11:39 AM

My mod version 0.2 BETA has already been uploaded on FileFront.

Changelog:

- AP settings changed according to Keltros001 formulas

- modification of stock damage min-max radii based on real warheads power calculations

11-23-08, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorshkov

My mod version 0.2 BETA has already been uploaded on FileFront.

Changelog:

- AP settings changed according to Keltros001 formulas

- modification of stock damage min-max radii based on real warheads power calculations

i would caution you to remember that the games damage models are very screwy so using real numbers may be way way off on results you get. the reason is ships dont act real so you more than likely will need to use unreal numbers to get real results. thats one of the reasons i took the short cut of using one setting for all torps and just used multiples to get more or less damages. i wish i had taken the time to do it properly like the way you are doing it.

keltos01 · 11-23-08, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorshkov

My mod version 0.2 BETA has already been uploaded on FileFront.

Changelog:

- AP settings changed according to Keltros001 formulas

- modification of stock damage min-max radii based on real warheads power calculations

could you post the link to the file please ?

keltos

Gorshkov · 11-23-08, 03:35 PM

@WEBSTER: Of course! I simply slightly modified stock damage radii for all torps depending on their HP values. In sum these changes are no significant. Anyway this is only a starting point for testing.

@keltros01: You have link in one of my latest posts. Happy testing.

keltos01 · 11-23-08, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gorshkov

@WEBSTER: Of course! I simply slightly modified stock damage radii for all torps depending on their HP values. In sum these changes are no significant. Anyway this is only a starting point for testing.

@keltros01: You have link in one of my latest posts. Happy testing.

got it

for a future version : edit the first post and place your link there, it makes it easier for people to find

keltos

Gorshkov · 11-23-08, 08:23 PM

OK! I have played one mission as IXD2 skipper (lightly defended convoy attack near Capetown) with my mod and results are as follows: I fired 14 torpedoes (T-I FATI, T-III, T-V) and sank six ships: first three armed trawlers with T-Vs (really stupid AI - I finished them off one after another with one torp each!) and later I assaulted undefended but escaping (very poor firing position!) convoy destroying three merchants (2 Libertys, 1 Hog Island) and damaging 2 Victorys. Of course not all fired torps hit, there ware also duds yet on average I spent 1.8 torp per sunken merchant.

Not bad and quite real at least for historical torpedo damage power!

I wait your feedback, too!

11-22-08, 05:52 PM	#31
skwasjer The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,549 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 3	Welcome to the world of modding :rotfl: Now think of the time and effort put in some of the bigger mods... Carry on sailor! __________________ S3D - Silent 3ditor (v0.9.9) - S3D homepage - Open sourced S3D file parser API's - SUBSIM thread SH5 mods: Speech Recognition for SH5 \| Digital UI Clock Tutorials: [TEC] Import/export 3D models to/from game using S3D [TEC] How to work with the model viewer in S3D - VIDEO Last edited by skwasjer; 11-22-08 at 05:55 PM.

11-22-08, 07:05 PM	#33
skwasjer The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,549 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 3	There's no mod team here with 10 people or more (PTO anyway). Make no mistake, the fact that 20+ people contributed to ie. RFB does not mean the team is that big. Only a handful of guys have worked on it for well over a year. Same for TMO, one man show. What you are doing now does not compare even remotely (no disrespect, each modder deserves appreciation). You are using S3D as well as I read, a project that took 1.5 years to date pretty much daily some hours of work. By one man. Anyway, I was just welcoming you to modding, and wanted to highlight that modding takes alot of time, effort and comes with alot of frustration. I was asking you to picture and appreciate what many of us have gone through before you... Cheers, skwas __________________ S3D - Silent 3ditor (v0.9.9) - S3D homepage - Open sourced S3D file parser API's - SUBSIM thread SH5 mods: Speech Recognition for SH5 \| Digital UI Clock Tutorials: [TEC] Import/export 3D models to/from game using S3D [TEC] How to work with the model viewer in S3D - VIDEO Last edited by skwasjer; 11-22-08 at 07:07 PM.

11-22-08, 07:42 PM	#34
Gorshkov Commodore Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 604 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	Anyway in every modding team you must also include often external beta-testers without whom no mod would be finished. Besides I do not have much experience in modding as others. Last edited by Gorshkov; 11-22-08 at 07:47 PM.

11-22-08, 08:15 PM	#35
keltos01 Silent Hunter Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Milan Italy Posts: 4,999 Downloads: 114 Uploads: 18	modding is a hard long road... welcome to modding !!! and as Skwasjer said, don't think there are many big teams outthere... ours is small too ! keltos __________________ "Honorable Builder of Sinking Ships"

11-23-08, 03:35 PM	#43
Gorshkov Commodore Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 604 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	@WEBSTER: Of course! I simply slightly modified stock damage radii for all torps depending on their HP values. In sum these changes are no significant. Anyway this is only a starting point for testing. @keltros01: You have link in one of my latest posts. Happy testing. Last edited by Gorshkov; 11-23-08 at 03:38 PM.

11-23-08, 02:12 AM	#36
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	The RFB "team" is smaller that you imagine. It's also larger than you imagine, I suppose, largely because of skwas. Now anyone with a bright idea can try it! S3D is the best thing for SH, ever. Anyone saying otherwise would need a mental health professional, or would have some irrational axe to grind. A couple days ago, you were a bitching user, now you are a modder! tater

11-23-08, 05:05 AM	#37
Fish40 The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yonkers, NY U.S.A. Posts: 1,507 Downloads: 154 Uploads: 0	[quote]BTW, if your RL u-boat (or fleet boat) skipper had been able to stick around, he would have scuttled that "total loss" ship using either an extra fish, or the DG. Period. So if you want to count them as sunk, add another torpedo to the number it required to sink (meaning that you add a "damaged" with however many hits it did take, and a sunk with that number plus one. The scene in "Das Boot" comes to mind, when they needed to finish off the severely damaged Tanker that wouldn't go down @Gorshkov: Good luck with your mod. I'm a stickler for realism, and if this proves to have historic results, I'll definitely give it a try

11-23-08, 11:39 AM	#40
Gorshkov Commodore Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 604 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	My mod version 0.2 BETA has already been uploaded on FileFront. Changelog: - AP settings changed according to Keltros001 formulas - modification of stock damage min-max radii based on real warheads power calculations

11-23-08, 08:23 PM	#45
Gorshkov Commodore Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 604 Downloads: 139 Uploads: 0	OK! I have played one mission as IXD2 skipper (lightly defended convoy attack near Capetown) with my mod and results are as follows: I fired 14 torpedoes (T-I FATI, T-III, T-V) and sank six ships: first three armed trawlers with T-Vs (really stupid AI - I finished them off one after another with one torp each!) and later I assaulted undefended but escaping (very poor firing position!) convoy destroying three merchants (2 Libertys, 1 Hog Island) and damaging 2 Victorys. Of course not all fired torps hit, there ware also duds yet on average I spent 1.8 torp per sunken merchant. Not bad and quite real at least for historical torpedo damage power! I wait your feedback, too!