No wonder Obama draws large crowds to his rallys

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by asanovic7

Finally someone who speaks the right thing..

Until human beings relearn morality, the dollar will always rule.

Originally Posted by asanovic7

USA is on the downslide and those american elections are a cover up. A stirring.. But, can anyone say for what? Why is there a global crisis almost every month? Is capitalism finished? What's the price of the oil? Who will rule second powerful country in the world? First? Last? Moon? I ate chicken, do I have flu? If we allow gay marriages, will a giant heaven h-bomb destroy us all? Brittain is freezing? Giant comet will hit us?
Or..
Corporations making easy life for their "exceptional few" on histeria.. Very nice..

There is no answer to such a rambling "question".

Originally Posted by asanovic7

About the intelligence of us voters. "What's hess gonna do for you" voting is a voting motto all around the world.. And from seeing youtube movies about "americans on the street/France is actually New Zealand" they cannot be smarter than the rest or different. Hence, God is not american.

Who said God is American and why in the world would you base an opinion of a group of people on youtube videos?:hmm:

Originally Posted by asanovic7

But, there is something else that can't be ignored.. How will USA get out of Iraq without being defeated? Who is better for it, Obama or John?
:rotfl:

The answer to that question is so obvious, you should have answered it yourself. Setting a timetable for withdrawal, no matter what the situation is, is a recipe for disaser (anyone remember VietNam?). No brain required to answer that question.

Originally Posted by asanovic7

And ofcourse.. How the hell can you in your country watch a man talking how taxes should be handled, how to help poor americans etc. and then he goes on and on speaking of spending another 600 billion on a useless war? :rotfl:

The same way our country can watch a candidate talk of lowering taxes while espousing a proposal (and actually sponsoring a bill in Congress) to increase foreign aid by hundreds of billions of dollars.

Originally Posted by asanovic7

And if it isn't important who gets elected, why are you voting?

Because it's our duty, IMO ( AVG). When we say that nothing will change, it isn't necessarily true. Each candidate has beliefs that we either share or don't share. Each candidate says where they would like to see the country go and we either agree or don't agree. No matter who gets elected, the President can't change everything by himself. Congress and the Senate are where everything happens (other than starting the odd war here or there). Until ALL of our elected officials make doing the right thing for the country (as opposed to themselves) their priority then nothing will change. The only real power the President has is to veto bills that Congress and the Senate have passed besides that whole Supreme Court Justice appointing thing, but then Congress has it's hand in that, too).

[AVGWarhawk]

DT:

Because it's our duty, IMO ( AVG). When we say that nothing will change, it isn't necessarily true. Each candidate has beliefs that we either share or don't share. Each candidate says where they would like to see the country go and we either agree or don't agree. No matter who gets elected, the President can't change everything by himself. Congress and the Senate are where everything happens (other than starting the odd war here or there). Until ALL of our elected officials make doing the right thing for the country (as opposed to themselves) their priority then nothing will change. The only real power the President has is to veto bills that Congress and the Senate have passed besides that whole Supreme Court Justice appointing thing, but then Congress has it's hand in that, too).

Exactly. ALL of the elected officals have their hands in it but none will raise that hand and say they screwed up. Come on folks, relections are around the corner. Political suicide! WE NEED TERM LIMITS!!!

[asanovic7]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Until human beings relearn morality, the dollar will always rule.

Not neccessarily.. But man is a wolf to another man..

There is no answer to such a rambling "question".

It's not rambling.. I am just saying the whole world is constantly bombarded with issues of life and death.. I am watching all the time some catastrophic disasters..

Who said God is American and why in the world would you base an opinion of a group of people on youtube videos?:hmm:

:rotfl: If that would be like that.. I base it on a convention of John Mccain, where a guy that leads the ceremony tells the audience about "the God blessed country". And it was not "I love my country" speach.. It was "I am religious nutcase and I think we are all nutcases here and we are better than anyone other in the whole world and we should lead by example and show the whole world the right way and we want our John to show them ignorant Iranian aswipes what is right". Combined with some other words on that convention..
Or when I read about american soldiers who do crimes and then they don't pay for it.. Or american meddling with lots of wars, people, attentations, planting of governments(americas backyard).. Or generally the whole view of american media, views of leaders, movie makers, journalists.. I watch that because I am bombarded with that s..t but I must admitt, got nothing better to do than to read or watch that s..t when I am spending time like now..
How about a movie where a guy thinks should he save a piece of paper or human?
Or where you watch american soldiers killing black guys in their country? All shown like a "mission from God"..
ETC.
And what about celebrating american soldiers as heroes? Can you say you are a hero when you fire froma gun that fires 2000 bullets a minnute, wearing a vest, equipment a+ on a poorly trained, not so well guy in his own land?

The answer to that question is so obvious, you should have answered it yourself. Setting a timetable for withdrawal, no matter what the situation is, is a recipe for disaser (anyone remember VietNam?). No brain required to answer that question.

Maybe, maybe, but then again USA is allready loosing that war.. Economically and perhaps military.. It's better to back out than to pursue a lost cause. Is there a law where the mighty on a mission from God cannot loose.. The very minnute last american soldier gets out of Iraq, whole Iraq government falls. Whole lotta killing for whole lotta green. We all know that. What's the point, other than to extract oil from Iraq? That reminds me of some men in the past..

The same way our country can watch a candidate talk of lowering taxes while espousing a proposal (and actually sponsoring a bill in Congress) to increase foreign aid by hundreds of billions of dollars.

I agree.. It's idiotic.. Why is there that darn aid program when those countries could be well on themselves?
IMO it goes like this. You break a man, make him poor, then you make him work for you for low money and in the end you generously help him..

Because it's our duty, IMO ( AVG). When we say that nothing will change, it isn't necessarily true. Each candidate has beliefs that we either share or don't share. Each candidate says where they would like to see the country go and we either agree or don't agree. No matter who gets elected, the President can't change everything by himself. Congress and the Senate are where everything happens (other than starting the odd war here or there). Until ALL of our elected officials make doing the right thing for the country (as opposed to themselves) their priority then nothing will change. The only real power the President has is to veto bills that Congress and the Senate have passed besides that whole Supreme Court Justice appointing thing, but then Congress has it's hand in that, too).

I agree, but duty.. ?
AVG told the only truth, when 9/11 happened americans were all for war, now that is going bad, americans curse bush.. When USA atacked Iraq, whole world hated USA. I saw occasions here where americans here were offended and laughed up..
Presidential elections will change nothing..

Americans have to change their field of view.. They cannot say "Bush is wrong because he lead us into a lost war" after they were for war. What will happen when the Russians do that? Or chinese? Heck, USA is not the most powerful anymore..
And so..
Obama could be a way for that to be..


But it seems to me we are all screwed no matter what.. Everywhere is the same..
I am thirsty..

cheers

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by asanovic7

But it seems to me we are all screwed no matter what.. Everywhere is the same..
I am thirsty..

cheers

On that, I can certainly agree (even the thirsty part:rotfl

[SimNut]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

PS. This means that McCain draws way more people simply wanting to hear his speeches.

Maybe they just needed a good nap, brushing up on old cliches, miss their grandparents, need a lesson on who voted for what 25 years ago, or want to catch a glimpse of the Vice-Milf.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

We watched the democrates storm Congress for the past two years. Not much of a winning record going on there either.

Agreed, especially since the same thing happened fourteen years ago. Tired of having Democrats run both the White House and the Congress, they 'threw the bums out' and installed Gingrich & Company. The result was a huge advancement to more of the same. It happened again with Bush as president, and now we have a Democrat congress giving us a huge change to more of the same. And blaming the other guys.

Everyone on the mall in Washington are to blame for our current ills. If you a pinning it all on Bush, your mistaken at who is to blame.

I'm not much of a Bush fan either, but it's my observation that he has this in common with Obama: the people who hate them do so for personal reasons, and would hate them no matter what they say or do. If Bush had not gone into Iraq you can bet that there would be thousands on the left lambasting him for missing the obvious and not taking out Saddam when he had the chance.

Some people will despise the guy on the other side just because he's the guy on the other side, and don't need - or want - any other reason. But they'll sure come up with a bunch of them, just to make themselves look credible.

[AVGWarhawk]

In short Steve, everyone wants their cake and eat it to.

[Sailor Steve]

I think that's a part of it. Back during WW2 one of Agatha Christie's mysteries involved a discussion about how evil the Germans were...or weren't. Christie had one of her characters say that of course we considered them evil, we had to, or we wouldn't want to fight them.

Some people don't want to resolve the issues, or even really discuss them - some people just want to be right. And to feel superior.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I think that's a part of it. Back during WW2 one of Agatha Christie's mysteries involved a discussion about how evil the Germans were...or weren't. Christie had one of her characters say that of course we considered them evil, we had to, or we wouldn't want to fight them.

Some people don't want to resolve the issues, or even really discuss them - some people just want to be right. And to feel superior.

Sure, there is superiority complexs going on. I think Pelosi and Barney Frank just have complexes. :p