A SH too far?

[Watson]

All comes to he who waits. [ heard that somewhere ]

[Arclight]

If you sit by the river long enough, you will see the body of your enemy float by.

The question is just if it will be OSP or Ubi.

[conus00]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Don't hold your breath.

I don't. That's why I capitalized the second "maybe".
Quite frankly I don't see GWX5 coming out.
But one can hope...

[Stormbringer]

Originally Posted by LtRasputin

I don't want the hours I'm gaming tracked by someone else's license server either. What I am playing, how long, from where on the planet, at what hours is no one's business!

This is the crux of the issue for me. One can rationalize that such tracking and DRM intrusion isn't a huge deal, or isn't a huge deal compared to playing the game - but if you do so and buy into the system, you've simply created a self-fulfilled prophecy.

This type of intrusive, unwarranted monitoring, wrapped around the assumption that I'm a criminal first and valued customer only when subservient to their inspection; simply disgusts me. Why should I pay money to be treated like a prisoner?

I can understand the excitement about what appears to be a good start for a simulation, but I cannot understand why so many are so willing to give up their privacy to participate in that.

I enjoy playing the SH line of games, up until now, but I'd like the call for "Papieren, Bitte." to remain in the imaginary realm of the simulation and not in the reality of its execution.

[Bothersome]

Anyone who would give up a little liberty to gain security, deserve no security nor liberty.

I'm glad and at piece with my mind about knowing that I didn't support the draconian methods implored by Ubisoft. And as far as I can tell they won't be rewarded by me for this DRM work they produced either, ever.

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Bothersome

Anyone who would give up a little liberty to gain security, deserve no security nor liberty.

I'm glad and at piece with my mind about knowing that I didn't support the draconian methods implored by Ubisoft. And as far as I can tell they won't be rewarded by me for this DRM work they produced either, ever.

As a wise Russian once said, They are hearing the thunderous claps of our wallets closing!

[col_Kurtz]

With the whole respect and love for modders...

Should I wait for modders to FINISH and make this game playable for HUMANS or should I buy it?
Why?
Because...
DRM - failed.
Ubisoft - failed again.
SH5 - failed and big mistake.
Players/consumers - game testers for own money?
And the price... to high for a half product.

Just like in the poker game.
I`m waiting... But I`m not going to wait endlessly. DRM off, I will buy. DRM on, forget it!
And maybe on the front of the game box there should be big red capital letters... Only for EXPERIENCED modders from Subsim.com?

[conus00]

Originally Posted by col_Kurtz

And maybe on the front of the game box there should be big red capital letters... Only for EXPERIENCED modders from Subsim.com?

[col_Kurtz]

Originally Posted by conus00

Am I wrong?

[Bothersome]

No, you're not wrong.

But to add to the thread some useful knowledge...

If I were even the very best game modder SH5 would ever had seen because of a gift given me straight from the hand of GOD. I would not mod SH5 to fix bugs, but only to add features or content, as that is what modding games was supposed to be about.

But Ubisoft wants the modding community to fix their product while Ubisoft makes all the money.

Now, if it were legal to make money from mods, then modding to fix bugs to make money for me, then I might apply those God given talents.

But Ubisoft doesn't pay modders to fix their bugs. Why not let Ubisoft fix them then? Oh yeah, because you guys think it may be never?

[Takao]

Ah, yes...

In the old days programs were designed by geniuses to be run by idiots. With Ubi, it has become programs designed by idiots to be modded by geniuses.

[conus00]

Originally Posted by col_Kurtz

Am I wrong?

No, you're dead on! I just found the statement hilarious.

[krashkart]

From reading reviews and perusing the threads up here in SH5 Land, for once I am glad I own a computer that is too weak to run a game. There is another aspect to my madness at work here: I have bought many a game in the last ten years and to an extent some of them they were just too flaky. A patch or two to fix minor bugs and add new capabilities to a game is the way it should be done. A series of patches to complete a half-finished game? Sorry, but my $60+ will be better spent taking the parents out to a BBQ dinner.

As for the DRM scheme, respectfully I must decline. Developers and publishers must protect their properties, merchandise and rights from being compromised - and that is perfectly understandable. However, I feel that the DRM implemented in Silent Hunter 5 and other Ubisoft titles is far too restrictive on many would-be customers. Many would-be customers have already pointed out why they don't like the DRM/OSP, so I will just add that my own internet connection doesn't need to be active at all times -- particularly when gaming. System resources are just as tight as my wallet these days.

My only advice/soapbox preaching to any uninitiated gamers is to wait until a few months after the game is released before deciding whether or not to buy it. Do some research on the product. Wait for any game-killing bugs to be patched, or just simply wait a year or two before putting any money into it. By then a good game should have a good following, and plenty of solutions.

[krashkart]

A fine first post, LtRasputin. Welcome aboard Subsim.

[mobucks]

i tend to buy obscure or niche games like this full price. To support the developers. At first i wanted a refund for SH5 i was so pissed. Anyway it has grown on me, and the potential is there so im glad i bought it, and feel sorry that DRM and price drops has probably screwed the people who put their heart into the series.

Stormbringer wrote:

This is the crux of the issue for me

i understand and agree completely however, untill the day comes where you can't open up your browser and within 3 pages download any game you want, DRM schemes are only going to get worse. That, or PC exclusive awesomeness will simply start to disappear. It is already happening. Sad.