putting helmsman ability to petty officers - Page 2

Kubryk · 06-11-09, 07:25 PM

Thanks GoldenRivet, I guess many of us wanted to check this but it took a person less lazy than average to do so

Thanks!

GoldenRivet · 06-11-09, 09:27 PM

thanks guys, it was no problem, i rather enjoyed it

its interesting though... perhaps someone could figure out a way to reduce crash dive time or something if you DO have the helmsman qualified petty officers working the controls.

TarJak · 06-11-09, 09:48 PM

Nice work on the testing GR. Looks like the helmsman qual is a WOFTAR.

GoldenRivet · 06-11-09, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TarJak

Nice work on the testing GR. Looks like the helmsman qual is a WOFTAR.

agreed

Sag75 · 06-11-09, 10:31 PM

Personally, I think the GoldenRivet recorded diving times are good and reflect a 750tons submarine physic. I mean, your boat needs flooding ballast tanks and operate dive planes.. it takes a physical time! ..even in presence of the most skilled crew! you can't expect to get onboard tons of water in just one millisecond.

About the torpedo launch delay, I was surprised about that and it can be really affected by the crew skill.. so it's a good realism note by Ubi!

I'm wondering whether a skilled crew can maintain better or better stabilize the depth in rough sea...

GoldenRivet · 06-11-09, 10:51 PM

according to some books i have read, the crew skill can make a difference.

keeping the boat level under the water comes from a combination of trim tanks and dive planes.

if your crewman is a super newbie at operating all the valves for trim tank management it can take some additional time to get the boat level and keep it there.

while i agree with you about the amount of time it takes to get 750 tons of steel motivated to dive, i do feel that crew experience and skill should make a difference of a few seconds in a crash dive situation... otherwise why practice?

if your command room crew knows exactly what to do when the alarm bell goes off vs. a crew that is experiencing a crash dive scenario for the very first time, it will likley equate to at least 5 to 10 seconds sliced off your dive time.

I also wish there was some sort of way to save another 2 seconds on dive time by moving as much crew as possible forward.

perhaps in the next version?

Sag75 · 06-12-09, 11:29 AM

perhaps!

About depth keeping, when I was on a IIA in '39, my green crew had always difficulties to keep the depth in a stormy weather, breaking the surface with the turret! I had a feeling when I put a more experienced crew, this holding was better.. but I'm not sure, we need to test it!

BasilY · 06-13-09, 11:54 PM

I always have one helmsman-rated petty officer as well. I used my boat to train u-boat captains. The sub-lieutenants spend 4 patrols before a new patch comes in. So I always have rookie officers. But my petty officers on the other hand, are all veterans (except the few replacements forced upon me by SH3 Commander)

06-11-09, 07:25 PM	#16
Kubryk Bosun Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Warsaw, Poland Posts: 66 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 0	Kudos! Thanks GoldenRivet, I guess many of us wanted to check this but it took a person less lazy than average to do so Thanks! __________________

06-11-09, 09:27 PM	#17
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	thanks guys, it was no problem, i rather enjoyed it its interesting though... perhaps someone could figure out a way to reduce crash dive time or something if you DO have the helmsman qualified petty officers working the controls. __________________

06-11-09, 10:31 PM	#20
Sag75 XO Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 424 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	Personally, I think the GoldenRivet recorded diving times are good and reflect a 750tons submarine physic. I mean, your boat needs flooding ballast tanks and operate dive planes.. it takes a physical time! ..even in presence of the most skilled crew! you can't expect to get onboard tons of water in just one millisecond. About the torpedo launch delay, I was surprised about that and it can be really affected by the crew skill.. so it's a good realism note by Ubi! I'm wondering whether a skilled crew can maintain better or better stabilize the depth in rough sea... __________________ Betasom - XI Gruppo Sommergibili Atlantici http://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php

06-11-09, 10:51 PM	#21
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	according to some books i have read, the crew skill can make a difference. keeping the boat level under the water comes from a combination of trim tanks and dive planes. if your crewman is a super newbie at operating all the valves for trim tank management it can take some additional time to get the boat level and keep it there. while i agree with you about the amount of time it takes to get 750 tons of steel motivated to dive, i do feel that crew experience and skill should make a difference of a few seconds in a crash dive situation... otherwise why practice? if your command room crew knows exactly what to do when the alarm bell goes off vs. a crew that is experiencing a crash dive scenario for the very first time, it will likley equate to at least 5 to 10 seconds sliced off your dive time. I also wish there was some sort of way to save another 2 seconds on dive time by moving as much crew as possible forward. perhaps in the next version? __________________

06-12-09, 11:29 AM	#22
Sag75 XO Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 424 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 0	perhaps! About depth keeping, when I was on a IIA in '39, my green crew had always difficulties to keep the depth in a stormy weather, breaking the surface with the turret! I had a feeling when I put a more experienced crew, this holding was better.. but I'm not sure, we need to test it! __________________ Betasom - XI Gruppo Sommergibili Atlantici http://www.betasom.it/forum/index.php

06-11-09, 09:48 PM	#18
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Nice work on the testing GR. Looks like the helmsman qual is a WOFTAR.

06-13-09, 11:54 PM	#23
BasilY Weps Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 359 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I always have one helmsman-rated petty officer as well. I used my boat to train u-boat captains. The sub-lieutenants spend 4 patrols before a new patch comes in. So I always have rookie officers. But my petty officers on the other hand, are all veterans (except the few replacements forced upon me by SH3 Commander)