The Presidential Debate- Who won?

[antikristuseke]

From what i saw they seemed more intent to fling **** at eachother than engage in any debate.

[Stealth Hunter]

Obama. He brought up quite a few good points about McCain and all Old John could do was stand there and smile like he was innocent. I really had to laugh on his point about McCain appearing at 90% of Bush's speeches.

Barack's speech was certainly one of the best presidential debate speeches I've heard in a while. I must agree with you on that point, Kapt Z.

The vice presidential debates should be a blast. I wonder how people will look at Palin after October 3rd.:hmm: There is no way Biden can lose.

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Obama admitted on several occasions that he agreed with McCain.

So? McCain stood there and sucked up all the praise he could because he needs it. Things are not looking too good for him at the moment.

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

For an "educated man" Obama sure says "we gotta" and "uh" a lot.

And once again, so? McCain kept stuttering in the second half. You were one of those nitpicks who got upset with Obama when he didn't wear an American flag pin on his jacket, weren't you?

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Who spoke the most calmly during the entire debate and who got nervous and rattled and stammered?

John spoke softly, but one of the things that's said about leaders (studies supposedly show this) is that they need a commanding and loud voice and very natural body movement when speaking. That's where Obama's strength showed during the speech. He's a good speaker, even if he sometimes stammers. Harry S. Truman stammered a lot and wasn't a very professional speaker (not conventional, anyway), but he was one of the best presidents the United States has ever had.


Everyone is entitled to their opinion, IMO. I'll just be happy when it all stops. The news has gotten even more repetitive now than it has been in the past, and all they ever talk about is "Did this candidate do this right?" and "Did this candidate do something wrong?". Then they bring this "experts" on to voice their opinions, and they really aren't sure of anything, but they yak and yak on and on about what they think of what was said and what should have been said...

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by geetrue

Remember George Bush lost the first two debates with Senator Kerry four years ago and then took an agressive, get in your face, stance for the third debate, winning the debate and then winning the election by over 3,000,000 votes the largest winning percentage in American election history.

Even then, Bush shouldn't have been president to begin with. In the 2000 election, Al Gore beat George Bush in the popular vote, WITH Florida added into the equation (and we now know that Gore also won Florida, but thanks to the Supreme Court's ruling when Gore asked for a recount, Bush became president). It should be a simple case of ONE PERSON, ONE VOTE, not this electoral system crap.

Originally Posted by geetrue

McCain's voice cracked a couple of times, but I think he did well to keep pounding on the subject that Obama is not ready to take the helm of a country this big.

Obama by himself... I don't think he would be ready to take the helm. THANKFULLY, he chose Biden as his VP, and Joe Biden is a man with experience in politics. Now with that said, I think McCain COULD run the country, but I don't think he'd run it well, especially with that attitude of his of "WE'RE STILL NUMBER 1!". And that's why I'm voting for Obama.

More importantly, if McCain died in office, what about Palin? She'd become president and I don't think she was even a competent MAYOR after reading more about her.

I'll definitely be tuning into the VP debates.

Originally Posted by geetrue

Obama will become a better senator after this election so he can have a better chance in 2012 with at least four more years of experience he should do much better (not just in the polls, but in the actual race), but so will Mrs Clinton all the while saying, "Obama should've chose me for a running mate"

I personally don't believe polls in magazines and on TV about the nominees mean much, but after looking around, I have noticed a lot of people on SubSim do. With that said, Obama is beating McCain by 3% in the approval census conducted last night by CNN (Obama has a 48% approval rate; McCain has a 45% approval rate). So that's something for you guys to think about.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

You were one of those nitpicks who got upset with Obama when he didn't wear an American flag pin on his jacket, weren't you?

Nope, I don't get anywhere near as upset about the flag pin on the jacket as I do about not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem.

I noticed nothing in your comment about the actions of the two when they were first introduced. Mc Cain did the smart thing (keeping his eye on his enemy) while Obama played to the crowd, like the rock-star that he pretends to be.

BTW My comments regarding Obamas stammering and sputtering weren't because they are bad speaking habits, but that they are habits that he doesn't exhibit when he has a script or a teleprompter. The man can speak, until he doesn't have a script. Unfotunately, the job he's seeking doesn't have a script.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Nope, I don't get anywhere near as upset about the flag pin on the jacket as I do about not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem.

It's the little details that you people like to talk about, that's my point. I noticed nobody in this thread has mentioned McCain's little affair with David Letterman.:hmm:

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

I noticed nothing in your comment about the actions of the two when they were first introduced. Mc Cain did the smart thing (keeping his eye on his enemy)

That sent the message (to me, anyway) that he was more concerned about debating with Obama than he was with addressing the audience. He didn't, to put it short, acknowledge appreciation for them showing up.

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

BTW My comments regarding Obamas stammering and sputtering weren't because they are bad speaking habits, but that they are habits that he doesn't exhibit when he has a script or a teleprompter.

OK, but to be fair, McCain has a habit of putting too much emphasis (I think) on sentences when he speaks in political ads.

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

The man can speak, until he doesn't have a script. Unfotunately, the job he's seeking doesn't have a script.

Like I said, Harry Truman was no different. When he spoke on the radio, he didn't stutter or stammer. When he spoke in debates or gave speeches, he did stutter. Yet through and through, he was a great president.

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

The vice presidential debates should be a blast. I wonder how people will look at Palin after October 3rd.:hmm: There is no way Biden can lose.

I do not agree

Famous last words to remember soon and very soon ... women have a way of thinking that we men have not yet been able to understand.

[RickC Sniper]

People seem to be seeing what thay want to see.

Those that favored Obama before the debate think he won the debate, or at least held his own in a debate where the topic favored McCain.

Those that favored McCain before the debate feel he won the debate, often putting Obama on the defensive.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

It's the little details that you people like to talk about, that's my point. I noticed nobody in this thread has mentioned McCain's little affair with David Letterman.:hmm:

What does David Letterman have to do with the debate? And, by the way, who are "you people"? People who notice "little things" like signs of lack of respect for their country? Quite often, you can tell more about an individual by the "little things" than by the crap that comes out of their mouths.

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

That sent the message (to me, anyway) that he was more concerned about debating with Obama than he was with addressing the audience. He didn't, to put it short, acknowledge appreciation for them showing up.

Excuse me, but shouldn't he have been more concerned with debating Obama than playing up to the crowd? Wasn't that what the two were there for, to debate? Do you seriously believe that, by waving to the crowd as soon as he stepped on stage, Obama was thanking them for being there? Debates aren't about addressing the audience, debates are about addressing the questions.

[RickC Sniper]

Obama by himself... I don't think he would be ready to take the helm. THANKFULLY, he chose Biden as his VP, and Joe Biden is a man with experience in politics. Now with that said, I think McCain COULD run the country, but I don't think he'd run it well, especially with that attitude of his of "WE'RE STILL NUMBER 1!". And that's why I'm voting for Obama.

When is the last time a vice president was actually active in running the country?

They have less input than any cabinate member.

[geetrue]

Obama by himself... I don't think he would be ready to take the helm. THANKFULLY, he chose Biden as his VP, and Joe Biden is a man with experience in politics. Now with that said, I think McCain COULD run the country, but I don't think he'd run it well, especially with that attitude of his of "WE'RE STILL NUMBER 1!". And that's why I'm voting for Obama.

Originally Posted by RickC Sniper

When is the last time a vice president was actually active in running the country?

They have less input than any cabinate member.

Excuse me! Vice President Chenny may be in need of a good attorney or a presidential pardon after he leaves office. :hmm:

Lot of things have been going Obama's way lately. The economy, the hurricanes, Afghanistan flaring up, etc... Kinda makes me think what things are for McCain? But then I remember the Bush - Kerry - election and understand that in US anything can happen and when even a dweeb like Bush can be re-elected why couldn't McCain.

Oh yea, the surge in Iraq. Maybe that could be seen as going for McCain, or at least he was very happy to trump that point in the debate. Although as someone from outside USA I really can't understand how using Iraq could at this stage work as a pro-issue for the candidate of the party that messed up the place from the beginning. If I was McCain I would just be quiet about Iraq and talk about tax-cuts.

[MothBalls]

Originally Posted by RickC Sniper

When is the last time a vice president was actually active in running the country?

August 9, 1974 - VP Gerald Ford became the President when Nixon resigned.
November 22, 1963 - LBJ became the President when JFK was assassinated.

I don't know about you but I don't think a hockey mom should be second in line to fix our current situation and lead us into the future, especially when the potential president is so old he farts dust.

[XabbaRus]

I just want it to be all over so I know whether to dig up my back garden and build a bomb shelter....

[RickC Sniper]

Sure, they are in line to become president.

But the suggestion was made that the VP choice by Obama makes up for his lack of experience.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

What does David Letterman have to do with the debate? And, by the way, who are "you people"? People who notice "little things" like signs of lack of respect for their country? Quite often, you can tell more about an individual by the "little things" than by the crap that comes out of their mouths.

Letterman didn't have anything to do with the debate, but didn't you hear the story about McCain cancelling his appearance on Letterman's show? He claimed it was because he had to return to Washington to help fight the financial crisis of the country. However, he did an interview with CBS and did not return to D.C.

The point: McCain is not as honorable as he claims to be.

And by "you people" I'm referring to the people who oppose Barack and everything he says (the ones who are totally dedicated to McCain; now before you call me a hypocrite, I'm not totally dedicated to Obama).

How is not wearing a pin the size of a dime on your jacket lack of respect for the country? Jesus, man... he just didn't want to wear one. Who cares? And as far as judgement on him goes by the little details, have you even met the man?

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Excuse me, but shouldn't he have been more concerned with debating Obama than playing up to the crowd? Wasn't that what the two were there for, to debate? Do you seriously believe that, by waving to the crowd as soon as he stepped on stage, Obama was thanking them for being there? Debates aren't about addressing the audience, debates are about addressing the questions.

He should have been concerned about both, and he was only concerned with the debate. Obama at least made ONE small address to the audience and then went along with the debate.

Well how do you know he wasn't thanking them for being there? It's only polite to address those who have come to see you.

Debates are about both the audience and the questions. Remember, it's the audience that will be voting for you in the end. And I don't just mean the audience in the auditorium. I mean the true audience: the people who have tuned in on their TV sets to watch the debates and candidates stand and give their opinions.

Originally Posted by geetrue

I do not agree

Famous last words to remember soon and very soon ... women have a way of thinking that we men have not yet been able to understand.

Lol, but setting humor aside, Palin really seems to have no idea what she's doing. See here:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4476173.shtml

COURIC: You've said, quote, "John McCain will reform the way Wall Street does business." Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more example of his leading the charge for more oversight?

PALIN: I think that the example that you just cited, with his warnings two years ago about Fannie and Freddie--that, that's paramount. That's more than a heck of a lot of other senators and representatives did for us.

COURIC: But he's been in Congress for 26 years. He's been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more.

PALIN: He's also known as the maverick though. Taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about--the need to reform government.

COURIC: I'm just going to ask you one more time, not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation?

PALIN: I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you.

We'll just see if I'm right or if you're right. Not too far off now.

Originally Posted by RickC Sniper

When is the last time a vice president was actually active in running the country?

They have less input than any cabinate member.

What, do you think that the president NEVER consults the vice president?

Bush has had help from Cheney on matters before regarding foreign policy and the economy. He's admitted it in interviews. It's not like they don't do a damn thing together.

And thank you, Moth, for posting those facts.