Arctic Sees Massive Gain in Ice Coverage - Increase twice the size of Germany - Page 2

Sea Demon · 09-04-08, 12:59 PM

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Did you take your meds today ...

Did you get your dose of DailyKos, MichaelMoore.com, and Democratic Underground today???

Digital_Trucker · 09-04-08, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by STEED

My advice to both sides is this.....

GET LAID.

I'm not on either side and I'll take that advice

Tchocky · 09-04-08, 01:03 PM

Follow STEED's gravy train.

STEED · 09-04-08, 01:07 PM

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Both sides are as bad as each other proving this and that and knocking down each others case for this and that.

My advice to both sides is this.....

GET LAID.

Equivocation doesn't work in this case. One side has offered the BS man-made global warming argument using fabricated evidence, the other side has only called it the BS that it is. It will take alot more than getting laid for these people.

Are Feck I give up.

:rotfl:

Sailor Steve · 09-04-08, 01:09 PM

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Both sides are as bad as each other proving this and that and knocking down each others case for this and that.

My advice to both sides is this.....

GET LAID.

Equivocation doesn't work in this case. One side has offered the BS man-made global warming argument using fabricated evidence, the other side has only called it the BS that it is. It will take alot more than getting laid for these people.

I tend to fall on the "They haven't proven that it's man-made, or that it's anything but a natural progression" side, but I agree with Steed on this. It's like most political, or even religious arguments, in that most people supporting one side or the other "know" that they're right, and the other side is full of beans.

I believe Joseph Joubert was right: "The purpose of argument or debate should be progress, not victory." Neither side here seems to be interested in getting at the truth, only in proving that the other guy is wrong.

STEED · 09-04-08, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Follow STEED's gravy train.

Tchocky · 09-04-08, 01:14 PM

Dammit, hungry now.

Sea Demon · 09-04-08, 01:16 PM

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I tend to fall on the "They haven't proven that it's man-made, or that it's anything but a natural progression" side, but I agree with Steed on this. It's like most political, or even religious arguments, in that most people supporting one side or the other "know" that they're right, and the other side is full of beans.

I believe Joseph Joubert was right: "The purpose of argument or debate should be progress, not victory." Neither side here seems to be interested in getting at the truth, only in proving that the other guy is wrong.

Well, true. But it's they who are trying to prove it is man-made. They're making the charge, they have the burden of proof. And they have not been successful at proving it. It would at least be a start if they would admit the glaring flaws of their modelling. Or at least the correlation of data that doesn't support their initial assessments. But one area I agree with Steed is, I've given up putting much effort into this debate anymore. It's become like abortion.

UnderseaLcpl · 09-04-08, 03:00 PM

@ Steve-

UnderseaLcpl · 09-04-08, 03:01 PM

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I've given up putting much effort into this debate anymore. It's become like abortion.

Does that strike anyone else as being funny?

Wolfehunter · 09-04-08, 04:10 PM

I'm convince over the the global warming issue. Even if it is exagerated by both parties. Weather is changing. Is it a good thing? Or is it a bad thing? I don't know the out come in the next 20 years. But from my experiance living and seeing the changes, there are things happening. There are freakish weather events happing in the last 5 years getting worse than the past 15 years. 20 years ago many of these weather pattern never happen here where I live. People who are far older than me also added that they never heard or have seen things that are going on reciently.

So things are happing. That can not be denied.

baggygreen · 09-04-08, 05:11 PM

I just wanna point out from Tchocky's link that the article made a point that most of this lost ice retreated before cars and CFCs and all were common - "Much of the area was lost during a warm period in the 1930s and 1940s."

Personally, i think the global warming by manmade causes claim is false. I know many people think otherwise.

I also think the debate is occurring because people want to be able to feel like they're in control of things. thats human nature. People dont like the idea that things might be changing and feeling they're helpless to stop it.

Stealth Hunter · 09-04-08, 08:29 PM

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Oh God. Please don't argue this again. I don't know how anybody can still be fooled by this crap.

SCIENCE HAS BEEN PERVERTED BY BOTH SIDES OF THE ARGUMENT SO BOTH SIDES CAN KEEP THEMSELVES ON THE GRAVY TRAIN FOR LIFE.

LOL!:rotfl:

Another conspiracy? This one is even better than the evolution, creation, religion in schools, and evangelical arguments we used to have.

Where are you getting your facts, because after having to correct you on the issue of off-shore drilling in the last debate, I'm really starting to lose interest in this (same s***, different day).

Stealth Hunter · 09-04-08, 08:33 PM

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I just wanna point out from Tchocky's link that the article made a point that most of this lost ice retreated before cars and CFCs and all were common - "Much of the area was lost during a warm period in the 1930s and 1940s."

Personally, i think the global warming by manmade causes claim is false. I know many people think otherwise.

I also think the debate is occurring because people want to be able to feel like they're in control of things. thats human nature. People dont like the idea that things might be changing and feeling they're helpless to stop it.

Entirely to blame? No. Are we to partially blame? Yes.

Statistically, CFCs and fuel emissions from cars along with the temperature have increased, which seems to point to a relation between the two. In addition, experiments conducted by Oxford University and Berkley University, the pollution emitted by humans has been shown to increase the temperature somewhat, by a degree or two (which is a significant amount). However, Earth has done this before, long before CFCs or cars existed (CFC products, anyway). So, it is also a natural part of how the planet works.

Why many people don't believe in Global Warming is beyond me. Maybe they don't fully understand it. Maybe they're involved or have relatives who are involved with fuel companies and corporations who don't push for a clean environment. Maybe they think they know the drill, but in fact have gotten bad sources or are just arrogant in their thinking manner. I dunno. They'll have to tell me and explain, in detail, their reasoning.

09-04-08, 08:38 PM

I know. It is ignorant to think our actions have absolutely no consequences.

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Wolfehunter Crusty Capt. Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 2,752 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 25	I'm convince over the the global warming issue. Even if it is exagerated by both parties. Weather is changing. Is it a good thing? Or is it a bad thing? I don't know the out come in the next 20 years. But from my experiance living and seeing the changes, there are things happening. There are freakish weather events happing in the last 5 years getting worse than the past 15 years. 20 years ago many of these weather pattern never happen here where I live. People who are far older than me also added that they never heard or have seen things that are going on reciently. So things are happing. That can not be denied. __________________

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baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	I just wanna point out from Tchocky's link that the article made a point that most of this lost ice retreated before cars and CFCs and all were common - "Much of the area was lost during a warm period in the 1930s and 1940s." Personally, i think the global warming by manmade causes claim is false. I know many people think otherwise. I also think the debate is occurring because people want to be able to feel like they're in control of things. thats human nature. People dont like the idea that things might be changing and feeling they're helpless to stop it.

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Kraut Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I know. It is ignorant to think our actions have absolutely no consequences.