bomb in oslo

[MH]

Originally Posted by Dan D

"Glenn Beck is Satan's mentally retarded little brother" (Stephen King). He,he.

I myself really despise GB very much and his political whining about Israel.
I think is is doing more damage than good in overall to Israel with messianic bull.
He is putting my country in wrong light.
Now what GB said about the camp is very nasty hideous thing but face the fact trying to shape youth political mindset since young age is indoctrination.
GB should know something about it.
I'm all for democratic education but no political parties thought shaping because i believe that this handicaps ability for flexible thought.
It turns problems into ideological issues when one side will not accept the others view just because of ideology.
(not claiming that im free of that)
I have no idea about Norway politics so that's all i can say
Judging by how peaceful and open minded country Norway is someone probably did something the right way there.
Maybe too well....
Possibly the nativity was too great in the same way thought in Israel once that no Jew would ever try to assassinate Israeli PM.


Really sorry for the great tragedy that happened to Norway.

[Safe-Keeper]

I did not know that American teenagers are forbidden to participate in political activities, thanks to Beck's eternal wisdom we now know.

In the US, camps like these are only okay if they target much younger children and actually do indoctrinate. Such as, oh, the camp program Beck himself helps fund.

Yeah.

The hypocrisy is nauseating.

Sadly Glen Beck has a number of adherents on these Forums and no doubt somebody will come by to defend him.

Unfortunately there is little a society based on rule of law can do to protect itself completely from a murderer with an agenda, a weapon and or access to bomb-making material.

Politicizing the tragedy in Norway provides Breivik with a veneer of legitimacy that is an insult to his victims.

On the other hand, writing him off as a merely insane does nothing to honestly try and determine if there are warning signs that can identify politically motivated sociopaths before they can do violence. It's unlikely Breivik was born to murder so somewhere along the way outside influences shaped his worldview so that slaughtering innocents was an acceptable and correct course of action in his eyes. While not excusing his crime we should try to objectively understand the Why? even if the answer might be unpleasant for some.

It speaks volumes for the People of Norway that they seem to be giving Breivik all his rights and representations under Norwegian law although I am sure that virtually every policeman and probably most Norwegian's would gladly put a bullet in his head personally. In any case, I would think that there are no prospects of him ever rejoining society nor should there be.

Too bad Breivik will not be the last sociopathic, politically motivated mass-murderer; no country has immunity from the type but hopefully Norway will never again see something like this repeated. The scary thing is, somewhere out there another Breivik clone is plotting, scheming and arranging his dominoes for a new outrage.

[Dan D]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

It gets worse. Glenn Beck just compared the youth politicians and their gathering to the Hitler Youth.

Because, you know, they're teens and politically active? Like the Hitler Youth? See?

Me neither.

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

In the US, camps like these are only okay if they target much younger children and actually do indoctrinate. Such as, oh, the camp program Beck himself helps fund.

Yeah.

The hypocrisy is nauseating.

Imo that is beside the point. Are you angry now about the US because of " Satan's mentally retarded little brother" Glenn Beck?

Who is this guy anyway?

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

It gets worse. Glenn Beck just compared the youth politicians and their gathering to the Hitler Youth.

Because, you know, they're teens and politically active? Like the Hitler Youth? See?

Me neither.

I suppose the 9/12 organizations are OK with him.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Biggles

What I heard he agreed to take the case, but after spending some time thinking about it. He said something along the lines "It's a most unusual case, and he has already admitted his guilt, but it's an important democratic right for every man or woman to have a defense lawyer". True ofcourse, but I'm sure he secretly loath his defense subject to the bone.

Regarding why he chose him, I read that they "worked in the same building once". I am not sure what this meant.

I watched Sky News an hour ago and they are quoting his lawyer as saying "he is mad"

I watched Sky News an hour ago and they are quoting his lawyer as saying "he is mad"

Who, Glenn Beck or the murdering loony?

[Dan D]

Originally Posted by Randomizer

Sadly Glen Beck has a number of adherents on these Forums and no doubt somebody will come by to defend him...

Accusations are flying around.

That Glenn Beck joke was a joke and it was Stephen King who created it.

Come on. It was just a joke.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Who, Glenn Beck or the murdering loony?

Breivik

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by MH

Now what GB said about the camp is very nasty hideous thing but face the fact trying to shape youth political mindset since young age is indoctrination.
GB should know something about it.
I'm all for democratic education but no political parties thought shaping because i believe that this handicaps ability for flexible thought.
It turns problems into ideological issues when one side will not accept the others view just because of ideology.

It's not uncommon in Europe for kids to be in camps of organizations - at least it was in my generation. When I check out the European young socialists where the party of the Norwegian kids are a member, you'll see that there are also two Israeli Youth Organizations associated.
I believe most organizations require the approval of the parents, so I see no difference if parents or an organization politicizes them, as long as those parties stand on the grounds of democracy.
However of course parents should teach kids to think independently, but we know that's wishful thinking.

I have many friends who were with the Falken - they are somehow associated with Noar Oved from your country. None of them became a party member as an adult. They became very non-dogmatic persons - but still have their heart on the left side
I was in many church camps, but became an agnostic .

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

The hypocrisy is nauseating.

Yep, somehow it is ok to him when they are sent to christian fundamentalist summer camps...

Originally Posted by Dan D

Who is this guy anyway?

In the 1960s a dark experiment took place in the USA: someone created a hybrid from Goebbels' sperm and female eggs from a tv-preacher. Good old Glenn was the result.

To be fair, at least he is consequent in showing compassion:

"I don't hate all of them. Probably about 10 of them. And when I see a 9-11 victim family on television, or whatever, I'm just like, "Oh shut up!" I'm so sick of them because they're always complaining. "

(source: http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200509090003)

Originally Posted by Dan D

Accusations are flying around.

That Glenn Beck joke was a joke and it was Stephen King who created it.

Come on. It was just a joke.

Look at the time stamp, you posted AFTER me so what I wrote had nothing to do with your post. My only point is Glenn Beck has received supporting posts from a number of Forum members, as they are free to do. I have no intentions of accusing anybody of anything but you are free to use the Forum search engine should you wish user names and examples.

Breivik

Oh, thats understandable though.
I mean if you had put in all that effort and then had a court tell you to shut up your nonsense and had people laughing at your "manifesto" plus your dad saying you was an idiot who should have killed himself then you would be pretty mad wouldn't you. I bet he is absolutely livid.

[Dan D]

Originally Posted by Randomizer

Look at the time stamp, you posted AFTER me so what I wrote had nothing to do with your post. My only point is Glenn Beck has received supporting posts from a number of Forum members, as they are free to do. I have no intentions of accusing anybody of anything but you are free to use the Forum search engine should you wish user names and examples.

"Thanks for the reminder. I will do".

[VirtualVikingX]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

So is an accused allow to pick their defence lawyer and does said defence lawyer not have the right to refuse?

Any lawyer can refuse any client; this although has to be based on the ethical guidelines for lawyers in Norway.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Oh, thats understandable though.
I mean if you had put in all that effort and then had a court tell you to shut up your nonsense and had people laughing at your "manifesto" plus your dad saying you was an idiot who should have killed himself then you would be pretty mad wouldn't you. I bet he is absolutely livid.

I should imagine/certainly hope so

Originally Posted by VirtualVikingX

Any lawyer can refuse any client; this although has to be based on the ethical guidelines for lawyers in Norway.

Then why is the lawyer prepared to carry on with the representation role...this is what I can't understand?