The Scottish Independence thread - Yay or Nay?

[Vonross]

But .....they force that on our people..if you where caught speaking anything else you could lose you head ! As a result my natural speach is dead ,,almost anyway....it was forced on us for a long long time, and yes I do not like them. for they point at the Germans and say BAD for what they did...Killed 6 million yes that is bad ,,,But not as bad as what the British did to the Irish 3/4 off all Irish wiped out.....Some of us have a right to hate them.... As for a scott he is Scottish ..always will be (Unless he is named Camble) Us Celts NEVER hold onto history ...WE HARBOR IT So as I see it anything that hurts them the better for the rest of us ,and Scotland needs to have it her way and her way alone....anything else you would like to know?

Von

[TarJak]

Yes. Why so angry? 3 posts to your name all with vitriol dialled up to 11. Most people just start of saying hi. Do you walk up to people and start telling them you don't like them before getting to know them?

[Vonross]

yep got just a wee bit tight on this one...Sorry all , I need to let go of the hate..just burning me up anyway...anyway ,,,Sorry all...

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by GalaKev

Personally, I do not think the Scottish in a case of a yes vote will not give two hoots about the USA. As a Scottish voter in this election (who will vote no), nobody gives a toss about the USA. Apart from maybe exports.

Sorry mate, but what the US public want wont matter in this, it is a private in country debate, the USA does not rule the world (although they may feel they do)

I do not care what Americans feel about what I am doing, I am only interested in me, my family and my country.

But all in all your post in sensible, apart from this bit

Well I wasn't clear enough in what I wrote down - in a bit of a hurry when I did.

What I meant was that the US public won't tolerate the idea of the US being the sole nuclear power in NATO, having to support a bunch of Europeans who they feel don't pull their weight and don't appreciate them.

Bye bye NATO? Possibly.

Mike.

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Dam those BANKERS!
They lost our money and now they are trying to kill my soul

Reporting Scotland is back on the "We are too wee, too poor and too stupid"

Project fear in full effect

Edit: Deleted what I wrote earlier - don't want to give ISIL an idea.....

BTW. RBS and Loyds will change to London in event of yes. John Lewis say prices may rise eventually. My own employers (not saying who!) have also intimated to staff that major investment will cease in Scotland should yes vote occur. Currently two potential large stores in Aberdeen and north east on hold until vote result in.

Mike.

Originally Posted by Vonross

yea, dump there British Buts ! I am for removing that scums controle once and for all...the sooner we get rid of the British Empire and there loyalist ideals the better..We have them here in Canada too.....They have a lot to account for all over the world ! After all they did start the idea of a Consintration camp !
(The Bore war) and look where that went... No my vote is to DUMP the british, and end GREAT BRIT...chok ...No more great ...lol about time..
speaking for all the celts who sufferd under them !

Von

Originally Posted by Vonross

But .....they force that on our people..if you where caught speaking anything else you could lose you head ! As a result my natural speach is dead ,,almost anyway....it was forced on us for a long long time, and yes I do not like them. for they point at the Germans and say BAD for what they did...Killed 6 million yes that is bad ,,,But not as bad as what the British did to the Irish 3/4 off all Irish wiped out.....Some of us have a right to hate them.... As for a scott he is Scottish ..always will be (Unless he is named Camble) Us Celts NEVER hold onto history ...WE HARBOR IT So as I see it anything that hurts them the better for the rest of us ,and Scotland needs to have it her way and her way alone....anything else you would like to know?

Von

What a pile of absolute drivel

[Trevally.]

Lot of talk today about bank HQs moving to London is there is no shared pound.

Turns out is would only be an address change and not a physical move

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Vonross

yep got just a wee bit tight on this one...Sorry all , I need to let go of the hate..just burning me up anyway...anyway ,,,Sorry all...

And this post is the one that saved your bacon....you have made it quite clear where your loyalties lie but so have others on this thread in a less aggressive and therefore more acceptable fashion.

You would be well advised to debate here in a tone that members here are more accustomed to.

I thank you in advance for your future cooperation.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Lot of talk today about bank HQs moving to London is there is no shared pound.

Turns out is would only be an address change and not a physical move

I wouldn't be so sure (admittedly RBS is approx. 82% government owned)...you can add Standard Life, BP and no doubt a growing list in the days to come.

The governor of the Bank Of England has repeated the point there will be no currency union and he as well as those above have already set up contingency plans.

I honestly hope the people of Scotland vote with their heads and not their hearts on this because Salmond appears to be looking at the economic situation as it is today and not of tomorrow and the possible financial repercussions in future weeks and months.

Without a fixed currency of her own and the banking sector to underwrite it Scotland could soon find herself in queer street.

A couple questions I'd like to ask is....Why haven't the Scots residing in England been given a vote yet foreign immigrants residing in Scotland have?

Why have sixteen year-olds been given a vote?

Whilst the answer to the two questions above may be obvious depending on ones point of view I believe it is also a fair question to ask why the English, Welsh and Irish can't vote, after all, they will be affected too won't they?

I have purposely chosen not to quote/copy paste from the abundance of articles for and against on the internet but rather offer the above as my own understanding and assessment of the situation.

In finishing....Salmond is gambling too much on what resources he believes are at his disposal. There are too many unanswered or prepared for outcomes, no Plan B.

Whatever the outcome I wish Scotland all the very best for the future but Salmond may find himself in all the history books for the wrong reasons and Scotland deserves much better than that.

[Rockstar]

... But you cannot have peace and a division of our country. If the United States submits to a division now, it will not stop, but will go on until we reap the fate of Mexico, which is eternal war. The United States does and must assert its authority, wherever it once had power; for, if it relaxes one bit to pressure, it is gone, and I believe that such is the national feeling.

General William Tecumseh Sherman

Now it may not be the national feeling in the U.K. But I wonder what will happen in the long run if Scotland suceeds in parting ways with the Union today. Will it stop there or just keep falling apart a little at a time until there is nothig left of it.

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Now it may not be the national feeling in the U.K. But I wonder what will happen in the long run if Scotland suceeds in parting ways with the Union today. Will it stop there or just keep falling apart a little at a time until there is nothig left of it.

I'm positive that civil war over an independence vote isn't an option. This is a legal and binding election not some hothead secession movement. I think England will eventually finds it's own path if Scotland ( or even Wales) leaves.

[U2222]

Well I'm British with Scottish, Irish and Welsh bits thrown in.
Next weeks vote is to determine the future of the United Kingdom.
Just cannot understand how less than 10% of the UK population can determine its future.
But we have been here before....there have been two referendums in Northern Ireland to see if the folks there want to stay part of the UK and NI. Mainland Brits have never had the opportunity to vote on this either

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Dread Knot

I'm positive that civil war over an independence vote isn't an option. This is a legal and binding election not some hothead secession movement. I think England will eventually finds it's own path if Scotland ( or even Wales) leaves.

Hey, it doesn't have to be a hotheaded movement like the Arab Spring. Just asking how far will this go if Scotland leaves the Union? I would hazard a guess a yes vote by the masses is primarily fueled by dumbed down political slogans about freedom sprinkled with potraits of mel gibson in blue face paint. I suspect its just those few leading the masses that really have anything to gain. Who are they?

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by Trevally.

Lot of talk today about bank HQs moving to London is there is no shared pound.

Turns out is would only be an address change and not a physical move

Sorry Trevally, but I'm with Jimbuna on this.

Besides, that statement is designed to calm fears, but I don't believe it. Sorry.

RBS, Loyds, Clydesdale and Standard Life. They can't be taxed if they aren't HQ'd in Scotland.

Check your PM, please. I have a question on another issue for ya!

Mike.

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Hey, it doesn't have to be a hotheaded movement like the Arab Spring. Just asking how far will this go if Scotland leaves the Union? I would hazard a guess a yes vote by the masses is primarily fueled by dumbed down political slogans about freedom sprinkled with potraits of mel gibson in blue face paint. I suspect its just those few leading the masses that really have anything to gain. Who are they?

Waayyyy more sophisticated than that. Way, way more.

Basic who's who:

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/whos-who-i...endum-campaign

Yes vote site: http://www.yesscotland.net/

No vote site: http://bettertogether.net/

Mike.