The Scottish Independence thread - Yay or Nay?

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Now it may not be the national feeling in the U.K. But I wonder what will happen in the long run if Scotland suceeds in parting ways with the Union today. Will it stop there or just keep falling apart a little at a time until there is nothig left of it.

I'm positive that civil war over an independence vote isn't an option. This is a legal and binding election not some hothead secession movement. I think England will eventually finds it's own path if Scotland ( or even Wales) leaves.

[U2222]

Well I'm British with Scottish, Irish and Welsh bits thrown in.
Next weeks vote is to determine the future of the United Kingdom.
Just cannot understand how less than 10% of the UK population can determine its future.
But we have been here before....there have been two referendums in Northern Ireland to see if the folks there want to stay part of the UK and NI. Mainland Brits have never had the opportunity to vote on this either

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Dread Knot

I'm positive that civil war over an independence vote isn't an option. This is a legal and binding election not some hothead secession movement. I think England will eventually finds it's own path if Scotland ( or even Wales) leaves.

Hey, it doesn't have to be a hotheaded movement like the Arab Spring. Just asking how far will this go if Scotland leaves the Union? I would hazard a guess a yes vote by the masses is primarily fueled by dumbed down political slogans about freedom sprinkled with potraits of mel gibson in blue face paint. I suspect its just those few leading the masses that really have anything to gain. Who are they?

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Hey, it doesn't have to be a hotheaded movement like the Arab Spring. Just asking how far will this go if Scotland leaves the Union? I would hazard a guess a yes vote by the masses is primarily fueled by dumbed down political slogans about freedom sprinkled with potraits of mel gibson in blue face paint. I suspect its just those few leading the masses that really have anything to gain. Who are they?

Waayyyy more sophisticated than that. Way, way more.

Basic who's who:

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/whos-who-i...endum-campaign

Yes vote site: http://www.yesscotland.net/

No vote site: http://bettertogether.net/

Mike.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by MGR1

Waayyyy more sophisticated than that. Way, way more.

Basic who's who:

http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/whos-who-i...endum-campaign

Yes vote site: http://www.yesscotland.net/

No vote site: http://bettertogether.net/

Mike.

Whatever your position is, I tend to think we agree or disagree because the few tell us exactly what we want to hear. Like Goering said during the Nuremberg Trial: ... But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.

If Scotland secedes what difference will it really make to anyone other than the few pop stars and politicians leading this campaign? Letting go the shackles to tie one on once a year for independence day? That'll show the queen!

[Oberon]

Well, Scotland has already got one guaranteed alliance...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ependence.html

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Well, Scotland has already got one guaranteed alliance...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ependence.html

If this is the case, then Scotland better be expecting Dennis Rodman showing up for lots of rounds of golf at St. Andrews.

[Rockstar]

http://america.aljazeera.com/opinion...andquebec.html

Who would benefit most from the secession of Scotland... ? The answer is simple: The beneficiaries would first and foremost be the leaders of secessionist parties whose aim is to take over the governments of the newly independent states. If they were rulers of independent and sovereign states, their policies and actions — including the use of coercion and force — as well as their remuneration would not be subject to any higher or “foreign” sovereign authority or oversight. In addition, as the new state takes over the functions of the old — including those of diplomacy — there would be lots of new job opportunities in the expanding state bureaucracy. Local small and medium businesses would profit, too, as their competitors from outside the region withdraw across new state borders.

Does the oil actually belong to 'Scotland'?

Yes. If it becomes an independent state all mineral rights associated with its territory belong to it.

An entire debate in its own right.

Not really. An exclusive economic zone is exclusive and the mineral rights belong to the state in question.
The only debate would be about compensation and renegotiating with those that currently operate leases on the rights.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Well, Scotland has already got one guaranteed alliance...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ependence.html

How very embarrassing to be associated with such a fine outstanding country, one that respects and adheres to the human rights of its inhabitants.

Now don't get me started on North Korea

I found this piece of particular interest:

He said it is unlikely that North Korea will seek to establish an embassy in Edinburgh – due to cost concerns – although he added that he expects Edinburgh to have a diplomatic presence in Pyongyang through the existing British Embassy.

Oh really

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Hey, it doesn't have to be a hotheaded movement like the Arab Spring. Just asking how far will this go if Scotland leaves the Union? I would hazard a guess a yes vote by the masses is primarily fueled by dumbed down political slogans about freedom sprinkled with potraits of mel gibson in blue face paint. I suspect its just those few leading the masses that really have anything to gain. Who are they?

Here's a BBC article that might give you a quick low-down.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-...itics-26550736

[Dread Knot]

And here's another article that sort of gives in in-depth account of how this current push towards Scottish independence has it roots in the 1970s.

http://www.businessinsider.com/facts...ce-vote-2014-9

[BossMark]

There was a further setback for the Scottish Independence campaign today.

The Loch Ness monster has stated he's relocating to the Lake District in the event of a Yes vote.

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by BossMark

There was a further setback for the Scottish Independence campaign today.

The Loch Ness monster has stated he's relocating to the Lake District in the event of a Yes vote.

The Windermere Monster is gonna sound...weird.

[Trevally.]

Originally Posted by BossMark

There was a further setback for the Scottish Independence campaign today.

The Loch Ness monster has stated he's relocating to the Lake District in the event of a Yes vote.

It is only the PO box that is moving.
You will can still see the real thing at Ness on the 19th