What's wrong with ppl!?

[Wolfehunter]

Lory Drew yes a sick person wasn't responsible for megan meiers suicide. Megan Killed her self. She did it and no one else.

Megan was also sick. Her parents missed all the signs. That is their consequence for their error in raising their child.

Lory Drew a sick person needs help just as much as Megan did.

Both people equally are not normal.

We all use bogus names and images of who we are on the net. Are we sick criminals too?

We can't isolate ourselves from the worlds bad influences but we can educate ourselves to survive in it better. Megans parents didn't give their daughter strength to survive in this sick world.

In my eyes Megans parent are the ones mostly responsible for Megans fait. Lory was just the final fuel to the raging fire.

Lory isn't a criminal here just a screwed up person with major issue that needs professional help.

[AVGWarhawk]

IMO, the women who instigated the ficticious boy online is nothing more than a kid who has not grown up. She should receive some sort of punishment for the very least in breaking the rules of the myspace site. As for the girls parents, I feel for them however, 13 year old on a computer needs to be monitored. As we have come to find out, the internet is a new found place for preditors of all kinds of whack-os.

Wolfehunter, I think you are bit harsh on the girls parents. Todays child is exposed to everything and I mean EVERYTHING. Parents today can and do spend their time looking out and doing their best to keep the crap from seeping in. Our liberal society takes everything to the edge and likes to see if they can get away with it. When I was a kid movie ratings were G, PG, R and XXX. Now it is PG-13 in the mix which is really a gray area of what is acceptable for a 13 year old and what is not. Hollywoods perception of PG-13 is very much different then my perception of a PG-13 movie. Do I look before I say yes to my 13 year old? Sure do. Case and point, the movie Twilight is out and my daughter wanted to see it with her buds. I cased the movie, saw a review that stated no sex or violence. Read a few more reviews and made the decision this movie was fine for her to see. So, I was able to look after my daughter for her best interest and her young impressionable mind. However, there are things I can not get to before it happens. For example, the internet. No matter how many pop up blockers I have, some twisted arse looking to peddle porn for a dollar gets through. It happened to 10 year old. She popped in on a kids website, up pops a porn site with naked women. She did not say anything for 3 days. My wife and I did not know about it until she came crying to us that she saw a naked women on the kids website. No matter were a parent turns, sex and sexually related items, advertisment, ideas are all over the place. It is simply out of control and most parents do their best to keep it away until that day explaining it their child arrives. It is very hard today as everything media related has become a free for all. The internet has become a tool for the worse in some cases. This case is a fine example. This women was thinking like a Jr High School girl who was doing her best to play mind games. It worked and sadly so. She has some mental problems of her own that need to be addressed. For a women this age, this is purely a case of deceit. Letting her go free should not happen however, living with this stigmata of not being trustworthy will follow her for the rest of her life but somehow in her twisted immature mind, she will pull a OJ Simpson and really start to believe she had nothing to do with it. Furthermore, if I was an employer and she showed up on my doorstep, she would not be using a computer at my place of business. Who knows what she is capable of on a computer. She will wear her scarlet letter 'S' from here on out.

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Thing is what kind of person wakes up and decides "let's pretend to be thirteen and upset them..."?

The thing is, most people like her distance themselves from the other person behind that screen, Why get offended by someone a thousand miles away?

Also

20/f/CA wanna go have cyber sex Xabba. :p

[MothBalls]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I'm torn on this case. On one hand, that was a pretty mean thing to do from the defendants side. On the other, that judge and jury set a dangerous precedent for users of the internet that might affect everyone. A catch 22 with this case.

I think you and I are the only ones who see this. I haven't seen any mention of it anywhere. I may be way off base, not knowing the details of the case or the charges. From what I read, violating "Terms and Conditions" on a website is now a criminal offense?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by MothBalls

I think you and I are the only ones who see this. I haven't seen any mention of it anywhere. I may be way off base, not knowing the details of the case or the charges. From what I read, violating "Terms and Conditions" on a website is now a criminal offense?

Terms and conditions are there for a reason. It is just not print to be ignored like most do before the box is checked....'I Agree'. It is the fine print on the internet. Is it any less valid then downloading music and not paying for it? I believe the same terms and conditions are the same yet a woman was successfully prosecuted in the courts for downloading illegally and sharing for free with others on the web.

[Wolfehunter]

AVGWarhawk Ignorance isn't an excuse. Parents are responsible for their children actions. No boogyman is.

Basically speaking its our job to raise our kids right. If we fail they fail too. Its always easier for people to point the finger than take the responsibility of their own ****ups. So we must take all our experiance and drill it into the childrens head.

Brainwashing of Media, entertainment, the system, etc we as a parent can properly educated our children if we choose to help them. Media spam is everywhere this is an excepted norm. If my child sees a nipple or two on the net then its my responsibility to help her understand whats that about.

Our society aren't liberal AVGw. Our societies are screwed up. We are parents but we can't parent properly because our government passes laws that makes it difficult for us to do the job. Slapping a kid is considered abuse. What nonsense crap is that. Some children can use a good wack on the behind.

Here is a situation that troubles me and is quite common to many parents facing it,
Where I live a girl 12 or older can aquire meds for abortions or birth control without parents knowledge. School nurses or doctors can provide them to girls when they have an accident without parents knowledge. No if I found out my daughter is screwing around there will be some consequences. I don't give a damb what the laws says. You know why? Because I will be stuck with the problem when the accident happens. If I don't handle it the system will take her away. But that doesn't mean I'm a good parent because I wash my hands. So I'll prepare her before that day comes so she's ready to make the right choice. Because if she doesn't I failed as her father.

This isn't something AVGw that happen overnight. These issue with megan's parents was action of neglect through many years. Megan had alot of problems from her past in school and in society. She was and outcast. Parents are responsible.

Children are an extension of you. Their your future and past all in one. They are your legacy. Your responsiblity and no one else.

Sorry AVGwarhawk I dissagree with your statment totally.

[MothBalls]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Terms and conditions are there for a reason. It is just not print to be ignored like most do before the box is checked....'I Agree'. It is the fine print on the internet. Is it any less valid then downloading music and not paying for it? I believe the same terms and conditions are the same yet a woman was successfully prosecuted in the courts for downloading illegally and sharing for free with others on the web.

(Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know what the specific charges were)

You missed the point I was trying to make, or seek clarification about.

This person was convicted of a crime. It was stated that "violating terms and conditions" of a website and they were guilty of a misdemeanor.

Here's a silly example. Let's say Neal puts into his terms and conditions;

While using this website [subsim.com] you must place your right hand on you mouse and your left hand on your crotch and stand on your left leg while singing God Save the Queen. Failure to do so violates the terms and conditions of use of this website.

So if I violate the terms, can I be found guilty in a court of law? I know it sounds stupid, but this is what the article said they were found guilty of. So webmasters can make laws now? There's a difference between a rule and a crime. Violating a TOS shouldn't be a criminal offense enforceable by a court of law.

That would be a very dangerous precedent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precedent

[Jimbuna]

In the days of chat rooms, I had my two kids (10 and 14 at the time) watch me log in as an 18 year old blonde UK girl and witness the ensuing barrage of questions 'ASL' etc.

This taught them very quickly that not everybody might be who they would have you believe they are on the internet.

I'm pleased/proud to say they both learned well and I have had no problems with them surfing the internet.

I do appear in their respective doorways on occasion just to be sure though

[1480]

Our society aren't liberal AVGw. Our societies are screwed up. We are parents but we can't parent properly because our government passes laws that makes it difficult for us to do the job. Slapping a kid is considered abuse. What nonsense crap is that. Some children can use a good wack on the behind.

WH, most states permit (not sure about your provinces) corporal punishment as long as it is reasonable.Baseball bat to the thigh= abuse, smack upside the head= good parental judgement.

[Wolfehunter]

Originally Posted by 1480

WH, most states permit (not sure about your provinces) corporal punishment as long as it is reasonable.Baseball bat to the thigh= abuse, smack upside the head= good parental judgement.

There was a time it was like that here not anymore.

I can do it but risk of going to jail if my daughter should accuse me of abuse.

Very easy here to accuse someone and get a record without followup especially for guys. Laws favor local woman here.

But if that time would come and I was put into that situation I would give her and him a good wacking.

[AVGWarhawk]

AVGWarhawk Ignorance isn't an excuse. Parents are responsible for their children actions. No boogyman is.

I believe both sides are claiming ignorance. I do however agree with you that the parents said the girl was having problems thus closer attention was warranted. That is the only failure I can see for the parents. Internet activity should have been monitored if the girl was in a state of mind that would not be considered normal 13 year old activity.

Basically speaking its our job to raise our kids right. If we fail they fail too. Its always easier for people to point the finger than take the responsibility of their own ****ups. So we must take all our experiance and drill it into the childrens head.

Parents can only drill so far. I was a kid once, I knew what my parents knew about me and I knew what they did not know about me. My point is, parents can not be at all places at all times. Parents can only hope to lead by example and provide the appropriate answers when questions of asked. However, did this women posing as a teenager take her responsibility that she screwed up? I'm thinking not.

Brainwashing of Media, entertainment, the system, etc we as a parent can properly educated our children if we choose to help them. Media spam is everywhere this is an excepted norm. If my child sees a nipple or two on the net then its my responsibility to help her understand whats that about.

That is the problem right there...accepted norm. What others seem acceptable, I may not hence...what I think is PG-13 material my not be what you consider PG-13 material. Accepted norms have gotten us in more trouble then the unaccepted norms. But, society likes to have a blind eye to it because the masses believe it is all ok.

Our society aren't liberal AVGw. Our societies are screwed up. We are parents but we can't parent properly because our government passes laws that makes it difficult for us to do the job. Slapping a kid is considered abuse. What nonsense crap is that. Some children can use a good wack on the behind.

Sure we are liberal as a society. It was a liberal that came up with the 'time out chair'. Tell you what, if so deemed necessary, my kids behind would be to red to be using 'the time out chair'. Fortunate for me and my wife, we have not had to resort to that type of punishment. Again, it is lead by example and paying attention. I'll give you short story on my niece. Her parents swear like sailors and threaten physical harm, sometime as a joke, sometimes not. One day I asked my niece (age 7 at the time) to sit in her chair for lunch. She said, "No and I'm going to kick your a$$'. As plain as day. I knew were that talk came from. Mom and dad. So, again, lead by example. Watch your tongue and actions.

Here is a situation that troubles me and is quite common to many parents facing it,
Where I live a girl 12 or older can aquire meds for abortions or birth control without parents knowledge. School nurses or doctors can provide them to girls when they have an accident without parents knowledge. No if I found out my daughter is screwing around there will be some consequences. I don't give a damb what the laws says. You know why? Because I will be stuck with the problem when the accident happens. If I don't handle it the system will take her away. But that doesn't mean I'm a good parent because I wash my hands. So I'll prepare her before that day comes so she's ready to make the right choice. Because if she doesn't I failed as her father.

Just another example of liberal thinking in this country. It is a very sad time that we as parents and I refer back to my previous post, that sexuality is drilled in at a very young age which leads us back to the accepted norm. It is not normal for 13 year olds to be having sex. Nor is it normal to be providing birth control in any form to a 13 year old because that shows nothing but throwing your hands up in the air and saying, "this is the accepted norm so she is going to do it anyway, here is a condom. BTW, mom and dad do not need to find out.' Doing this relieves the parents of any responsibility. Pure rubbish and just another form of government intervention. It takes a village to raise a child. No, it take concerned parents and not the type that just dropped of 9 kids in Nebraska because state law allows parents to drop off their kids at a hospital without recourse. The law was originally for newborns. Now it is any kid.

This isn't something AVGw that happen overnight. These issue with megan's parents was action of neglect through many years. Megan had alot of problems from her past in school and in society. She was and outcast. Parents are responsible.

Parents can not be responsible for her being an outcast. Never the less, I refer back to my first response, if the child was already having issues, better parent intervention was called for. Apparently this was lacking and the end result reflects that. But, this women did get a hold of this young girl on the internet and if that does not ring a bell or two for you, then I do not know what will. She too is responsible for her actions. Furthermore, I believe this woman daughter was in on it and thus feeding her mom the current situation with this 'outcast' and for no good reason decided it was high time to demoralize the girls further. This case IMO is not a one way street.

Children are an extension of you. Their your future and past all in one. They are your legacy. Your responsiblity and no one else.

Sorry AVGwarhawk I dissagree with your statment totally

I did not state anywhere that someone else was responsible for this child or my own. I stated, that in todays world it is media emotional overload that is pumped to kids 24/7. You would have to agree that parenting today is far and beyond what it was 50 years ago. My cell phone when I was a kid was two tin cans and string. My computer was a calculator. Kids actually talked face to face and play real baseball and not virtual baseball in the comfort of their homes over a internet line. Dungeons and Dragons was played at a table with books and dice. Not on the world wide web and with who the hell knows on the other end playing an ogre. My point, there is more to look after in todays world. That is my point in the previous post.

No need to be sorry for disagreeing, that is what conversations are about sometimes. But, you have to admit that the woman posing as a teenager playing mind games with an adult brain and knowing what would get to a teenager metally is outright wrong. The internet just provided an outlet for this woman to do this. There is something inherently wrong with that. You do not see that this action by a mom and her daughter along with a friend is a bit distressing?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Wolfehunter

There was a time it was like that here not anymore.

I can do it but risk of going to jail if my daughter should accuse me of abuse.

Very easy here to accuse someone and get a record without followup especially for guys. Laws favor local woman here.

But if that time would come and I was put into that situation I would give her and him a good wacking.

I agree with Wolfehunter here. All kids have to do today is cry abuse. Dad is on his way to lock up and pychogical help. Have a kid dial 911 like my brother-in-law did when he was a kid was all it took. Cops will come and you will be labelled. I'll be honest here. My daughter is a small kid. She is basically a year behind in growth as compared to other kids in her age. To help ease her mind my wife and I scheduled an appointment at John Hopkins here in Baltimore with a leading authority on child growth. During the visit, the doctor was looking for signs of abuse and malnutrition. She was looking for ribs showing, etc. All test were taken, blood, height, weight, etc. All test came back as a normal girl with typical hormon levels for her age and she is just a small person. Heck, my wife is 4 foot 6. We are not big people. My daughter was fine after the visit. I was aghast with the doctor looking for abuse. She thought I did not notice. My dad was a doctor and I read most of his books and new the method of operation in a possible abuse case. This doctor performed that method. You know, if the doctor determined my wife and I were starving our kid, our butts would be in the slammer.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

In the days of chat rooms, I had my two kids (10 and 14 at the time) watch me log in as an 18 year old blonde UK girl and witness the ensuing barrage of questions 'ASL' etc.

This taught them very quickly that not everybody might be who they would have you believe they are on the internet.

I'm pleased/proud to say they both learned well and I have had no problems with them surfing the internet.

I do appear in their respective doorways on occasion just to be sure though

That is the way Jim, give some breathing room but be prepared that I just might pop in and enjoy some of that breathing room with you! You want your kids to come to you for answers with problems. My kids know the limit to the internet. They will ask first before anything is downloaded. They will ask first if they can visit a site. I often join them on the site when they first check it out. For me though it is webkins and American girl doll. My youngest loads up just about every Verizon game they have to offer . They know, one mis-step and the computer is locked with a password. I did that when some grades started falling. It worked well. She learned and I tell you what, I do not have to follow up on her homework ever. She is a A honor roll student. It is a part of her life at the age of 13 for a good character trait called RESPONSIBILITY.

[AVGWarhawk]

[quote=MothBalls]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Terms and conditions are there for a reason. It is just not print to be ignored like most do before the box is checked....'I Agree'. It is the fine print on the internet. Is it any less valid then downloading music and not paying for it? I believe the same terms and conditions are the same yet a woman was successfully prosecuted in the courts for downloading illegally and sharing for free with others on the web.

(Maybe I'm wrong, I don't know what the specific charges were)

You missed the point I was trying to make, or seek clarification about.

This person was convicted of a crime. It was stated that "violating terms and conditions" of a website and they were guilty of a misdemeanor.

Here's a silly example. Let's say Neal puts into his terms and conditions;

While using this website [subsim.com] you must place your right hand on you mouse and your left hand on your crotch and stand on your left leg while singing God Save the Queen. Failure to do so violates the terms and conditions of use of this website.

So if I violate the terms, can I be found guilty in a court of law? I know it sounds stupid, but this is what the article said they were found guilty of. So webmasters can make laws now? There's a difference between a rule and a crime. Violating a TOS shouldn't be a criminal offense enforceable by a court of law.

That would be a very dangerous precedent. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precedent[/quote]

I do not believe the website authors create the law. I could be wrong but I believe it is part of the internet site protocal for term and conditions. Neal does have his own set of rules. Might want to inquire with Neal or perhaps look it up on the internet. I certainly do not know that much about it. However, I believe if the terms and conditions as written for internet sites can be processed in a court of law. Question is, does the site owner want to go that far.:hmm:

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

That is the way Jim, give some breathing room but be prepared that I just might pop in and enjoy some of that breathing room with you! You want your kids to come to you for answers with problems. My kids know the limit to the internet. They will ask first before anything is downloaded. They will ask first if they can visit a site. I often join them on the site when they first check it out. For me though it is webkins and American girl doll. My youngest loads up just about every Verizon game they have to offer . They know, one mis-step and the computer is locked with a password. I did that when some grades started falling. It worked well. She learned and I tell you what, I do not have to follow up on her homework ever. She is a A honor roll student. It is a part of her life at the age of 13 for a good character trait called RESPONSIBILITY.

Kudos to you and especially to your girls.

Good responsible parenting usually pays dividends in the end