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CCIP · 10-16-08, 09:48 PM

I agree, while some of Obama's lines were really uproarious, I think McCain's delivery was much better. He took on a great aura of irony that Obama never quite got, and it was really something to see Hillary just rolling to his lines about Bill

I much prefer hearing him speak in this tone than the serious stuff. He's much more convincing when he's being bitterly ironic than just being bitter.

Digital_Trucker · 10-16-08, 10:35 PM

They certainly both had good writers, but I agree that McCain's delivery was better. I wonder, too, did we miss some of McCain's presentation or was Obama's that much longer and more like a campaign speech towards the end?:hmm:

Bosje · 10-17-08, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...0/1529529.aspx

I wonder how much thought they put into this attack line.

I guess the Republicans are getting desperate, that article has ignorance oozing out from every orifice.

Even though Obama/Biden are ahead in the polls and even if the world could really use a Democratic win... I'm gonna bet my steak lunch on McCain.

edited out unnecessary bile

AVGWarhawk · 10-17-08, 07:23 AM

What I did not care for and McCain was either not allowed or offered, Obama took a serious note at the end of his comedy skit. Then again, I step back and look at the historical significance of this event. I think a serious note by Obama was a good thing in this instance. Who, in their wildest imagination, would see a person such as Obama behind that podium at such an event as this? It does show, as a nation, that we have come a long way. There is more work to be done to be sure. I seriously applaud Obama and the obstacles he has overcome in this campaign. I enjoy seeing and hearing his determination and energy. It is my thoughts that Obama really does give a damn and will work hard for all concerned. No matter how this ends up on the 4th of Nov, we all are experiencing a very significant historical event. Obama has run one awesome campaign. I do not think anyone can deny that. At this point, I really have to admit that I'm still an undecided voter. I'm just Joe the Transportation Specialist.

CCIP · 10-17-08, 08:03 AM

I was going to mention that, too. McCain's humour was delivered better, but darn if Obama didn't make for some fine oratory in the serious speech there. He has a definite talent and a lot of professionalism.

And yes, I think Obama is a sign of change in a big way. Not so much immediately political but perhaps cultural. The whole Obama-Clinton race this year, in fact, is definitely one of the most striking things to happen in the US elections in a long time.

That's not, of course, to make a comment on him as potential president. If it all ends in his favour, he's got his work cut out for him and he'll need to prove himself in that he's capable of producing more than just hot air.

August · 10-17-08, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bosje

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tchocky

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archi...0/1529529.aspx

I wonder how much thought they put into this attack line.

I guess the Republicans are getting desperate, that article has ignorance oozing out from every orifice.

Even though Obama/Biden are ahead in the polls and even if the world could really use a Democratic win... I'm gonna bet my steak lunch on McCain.

edited out unnecessary bile

The Democrats display of fake righteous discrimination falls flat with just a simple perusal of the DU or KoS websites...

Tchocky · 10-17-08, 08:09 AM

That's like saying RedState and Malkin are representative of all Republicans.

AVGWarhawk · 10-17-08, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CCIP

I was going to mention that, too. McCain's humour was delivered better, but darn if Obama didn't make for some fine oratory in the serious speech there. He has a definite talent and a lot of professionalism.

And yes, I think Obama is a sign of change in a big way. Not so much immediately political but perhaps cultural. The whole Obama-Clinton race this year, in fact, is definitely one of the most striking things to happen in the US elections in a long time.

That's not, of course, to make a comment on him as potential president. If it all ends in his favour, he's got his work cut out for him and he'll need to prove himself in that he's capable of producing more than just hot air.

When I listen to Obama, when he is really not stumping hard, he does seem to have determination. A determination that I have not seen in a long time. He certainly does have his work cut out for him. He needs to prove himself on two fronts:

1. Politically
2. Racially (for lack of a better word)
- explained, for the good of what MLK was working for and now in Obama's grasp, he needs to make good on that dream now realized or soon to be possibly realized. In short, it can make it or break it for all concerned.

I would have to say, if there was anyone that had to be picked to spearhead a black as the president, Obama would have to be the one IMO. He is bright, articulate and really seems to have a clue in a lot of respects.

IMO, no matter who makes it, the country could not be any worse off then what we have now. I really think W was asleep at the helm or just did not know were the helm is...on other words completely lost.

Digital_Trucker · 10-17-08, 08:52 AM

Well, after reading an article regarding the dinner this morning, it appears that a good bit of McCain's presentation was left out of the YouTube video. Evidently McCain actually introduced Obama and had some serious statements to make himself.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/po...ughs_at_d.html

Quote:

Mr. McCain offered several words of praise, which Mr. Obama acknowledged with applause and a nod of the head.
"My opponent is an impressive fellow in many ways. Political opponents can have a little trouble seeing the best in each other. I have seen this man at his best. I admire his great skill, energy and determination," Mr. McCain said. "It's not for nothing that he has inspired so many folks in his own party and beyond. Senator Obama talks about making history and he's made quite a bit of it already.
"There was a time when the mere invitation of an African American citizen to dine at the White House was taken as an outrage and an insult in many quarters. Today, it's world away from the cruel and frightful bigotry of that time. And good riddance.
"I can't wish my opponent luck, but I do wish him well."
After a handshake, Mr. Obama took the lectern for his turn.

Frame57 · 10-17-08, 08:57 AM

What bothered me in the first debate was that BO said he was commited to send more resources and money to foreign countries. I was stunned to hear this. Just what we need to be doing-NOT! Then again I was not pleased when W sent Africa billions of dollars not three or four months ago. Thet rape the people at will and we just keep letting them do it. Where is Charles Bronson when you need him...?

AVGWarhawk · 10-17-08, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Well, after reading an article regarding the dinner this morning, it appears that a good bit of McCain's presentation was left out of the YouTube video. Evidently McCain actually introduced Obama and had some serious statements to make himself.

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/po...ughs_at_d.html

Quote:

Mr. McCain offered several words of praise, which Mr. Obama acknowledged with applause and a nod of the head.
"My opponent is an impressive fellow in many ways. Political opponents can have a little trouble seeing the best in each other. I have seen this man at his best. I admire his great skill, energy and determination," Mr. McCain said. "It's not for nothing that he has inspired so many folks in his own party and beyond. Senator Obama talks about making history and he's made quite a bit of it already.
"There was a time when the mere invitation of an African American citizen to dine at the White House was taken as an outrage and an insult in many quarters. Today, it's world away from the cruel and frightful bigotry of that time. And good riddance.
"I can't wish my opponent luck, but I do wish him well."
After a handshake, Mr. Obama took the lectern for his turn.

Yes, McCain showed quite a bit of class with the statements noted above. The serious note I was talking about for Obama was concerning the current conditions of the country. It was at the end of his skit.

To be honest, I enjoyed both and had many laughs. It did my heart good to see this and listen.

Digital_Trucker · 10-17-08, 09:06 AM

Same here. It was good to see something other than mud-slinging on both parts. If the two parties could get along as well as that dinner went, we might well be able to get somewhere no matter who gets elected (yes, I know, the word for my current condition, based on that last remark, is delusional

).

AVGWarhawk · 10-17-08, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Same here. It was good to see something other than mud-slinging on both parts. If the two parties could get along as well as that dinner went, we might well be able to get somewhere no matter who gets elected (yes, I know, the word for my current condition, based on that last remark, is delusional

).

Delusional, not really. If you think about it, the system is set up with checks and balances. If it all depended on the president, we would have a dictatorship. He does have his veto power but in all reality, the veto makes congress go back and look at the legislation again. So, it does not really matter as much with who is at the helm. Personally, after looking at both policies, we are getting very similar thoughts from Obama and McCain. Sure, some of each policies I do not agree with. Some policies I agree with more for each. It really is a toss up for me. At this point, I really would like to see that type of candor on Capital Hill. It goes to show you it can be done. Cut the pork and work for a common goal for all.

August · 10-17-08, 10:04 AM

Remember that both parties have their rabid supporters and enemies not to mention numerous foreigners trying to influence our election for their own purposes. Their voices are usually the loudest and it's why we get the impression of such acrimony in the political process.

AVGWarhawk · 10-17-08, 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by August

Remember that both parties have their rabid supporters and enemies not to mention numerous foreigners trying to influence our election for their own purposes. Their voices are usually the loudest and it's why we get the impression of such acrimony in the political process.

Hence we get rid of all the lobbyists.

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10-16-08, 09:48 PM	#331
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I agree, while some of Obama's lines were really uproarious, I think McCain's delivery was much better. He took on a great aura of irony that Obama never quite got, and it was really something to see Hillary just rolling to his lines about Bill I much prefer hearing him speak in this tone than the serious stuff. He's much more convincing when he's being bitterly ironic than just being bitter. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

10-16-08, 10:35 PM	#332
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	They certainly both had good writers, but I agree that McCain's delivery was better. I wonder, too, did we miss some of McCain's presentation or was Obama's that much longer and more like a campaign speech towards the end?:hmm: __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

10-17-08, 07:23 AM	#334
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,286 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	What I did not care for and McCain was either not allowed or offered, Obama took a serious note at the end of his comedy skit. Then again, I step back and look at the historical significance of this event. I think a serious note by Obama was a good thing in this instance. Who, in their wildest imagination, would see a person such as Obama behind that podium at such an event as this? It does show, as a nation, that we have come a long way. There is more work to be done to be sure. I seriously applaud Obama and the obstacles he has overcome in this campaign. I enjoy seeing and hearing his determination and energy. It is my thoughts that Obama really does give a damn and will work hard for all concerned. No matter how this ends up on the 4th of Nov, we all are experiencing a very significant historical event. Obama has run one awesome campaign. I do not think anyone can deny that. At this point, I really have to admit that I'm still an undecided voter. I'm just Joe the Transportation Specialist. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

10-17-08, 08:03 AM	#335
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I was going to mention that, too. McCain's humour was delivered better, but darn if Obama didn't make for some fine oratory in the serious speech there. He has a definite talent and a lot of professionalism. And yes, I think Obama is a sign of change in a big way. Not so much immediately political but perhaps cultural. The whole Obama-Clinton race this year, in fact, is definitely one of the most striking things to happen in the US elections in a long time. That's not, of course, to make a comment on him as potential president. If it all ends in his favour, he's got his work cut out for him and he'll need to prove himself in that he's capable of producing more than just hot air. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

10-17-08, 08:09 AM	#337
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	That's like saying RedState and Malkin are representative of all Republicans. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

10-17-08, 08:57 AM	#340
Frame57 Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: 1300 feet on the crapper Posts: 1,860 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	What bothered me in the first debate was that BO said he was commited to send more resources and money to foreign countries. I was stunned to hear this. Just what we need to be doing-NOT! Then again I was not pleased when W sent Africa billions of dollars not three or four months ago. Thet rape the people at will and we just keep letting them do it. Where is Charles Bronson when you need him...?

10-17-08, 09:06 AM	#342
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	Same here. It was good to see something other than mud-slinging on both parts. If the two parties could get along as well as that dinner went, we might well be able to get somewhere no matter who gets elected (yes, I know, the word for my current condition, based on that last remark, is delusional). __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.

10-17-08, 10:04 AM	#344
August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,222 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Remember that both parties have their rabid supporters and enemies not to mention numerous foreigners trying to influence our election for their own purposes. Their voices are usually the loudest and it's why we get the impression of such acrimony in the political process. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.