What has the last couple weeks proved about our government?

[bookworm_020]

They don't have control of the economy, but they can influance the confidence in it by any action they may take or have taken. At this point there are many things that will influance the market, both internal and external.

[Stealth Hunter]

They're inept, Republicans, Democrats, and Independents alike?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

They're inept, Republicans, Democrats, and Independents alike?

Ding ding ding! All of them! We have a winner!

We need a new party.

-S

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Ding ding ding! All of them! We have a winner!

We need a new party.

-S

Libertarians!

We're not just right, we're extremely right:p

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Libertarians!

We're not just right, we're extremely right:p

How can some group claiming they are libertarians be considered right unless you mean that they think they are right?

And what happened to Ross Perot? He was the only candidate that had a brain. McCain, not so much. Obama, don't even get me started that socialist hypocrit!

-S

[SimNut]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

How can some group claiming they are libertarians be considered right unless you mean that they think they are right?

He didn't mean they were right right, he meant they were right right.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by SimNut

He didn't mean they were right right, he meant they were right right.

Right.

-S

[SimNut]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

What has the last couple weeks proved about our government?

It proved that being a politician is a good job to have in tough times.

It looks like the pay is low, but you can actually make more off of the kickbacks and bribes. You get great working hours, basically a part time job. Lots of authority with no responsibility or accountability. You get benefits, I'll bet they even have dental insurance.

I'm thinking that I might want to change careers and go into politics.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

And what happened to Ross Perot? He was the only candidate that had a brain. McCain, not so much. Obama, don't even get me started
-S

So you mean you can do Harvard, magna cum laude without a brain?

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Fish

So you mean you can do Harvard, magna cum laude without a brain?

Evidently:rotfl:

[baggygreen]

Originally Posted by Fish

So you mean you can do Harvard, magna cum laude without a brain?

Sounds like the name of a bad movie one could buy in a seeeedy establishment...

[August]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Libertarians!

We're not just right, we're extremely right:p

I'm sad to say that in spite of all efforts to the contrary Libertarians just aren't a viable political party, at least not in the traditional sense. Heck, they can barely agree on a national platform, let alone present a united front to go against the political machines of the GoP or the Dems.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by August

I'm sad to say that in spite of all efforts to the contrary Libertarians just aren't a viable political party, at least not in the traditional sense. Heck, they can barely agree on a national platform, let alone present a united front to go against the political machines of the GoP or the Dems.

That's true. We have an identity crisis because we have a few people who are so far to the right that they have actually circumnavigated the political spectrum and ended up on the left. We have no choice but to accept them, because that is our platform.


However, what really strikes me as being tragic is that a party that adheres to Constitutional beliefs and practices fiscal conservatism is seen as "extremist" and "unelectable". The Constitutional party suffers from the same drawbacks, but is even less successful because it only siphons votes from the conservatives, for the most part.


There was I time when the Republicans truly stood against the left, but their platform has shifted radically in the past 70 years. Now they have been drawn to the left by political machine. They must appeal to the left to some degree or die.


The struggle of the marginalized right-wing parties may be in vain, but we will fight nonetheless.

[August]

I don't see the Libertarians as extremist Lance. Their biggest problem is internal dissension. That's imo what makes them unelectable. Nature of the beast I guess though. It's tough to get a bunch of independent minds to work together effectively.

[Hylander_1314]

I often wonder how the Founding Fathers would be viewed today if they were here. I also wonder how they would view the Constitutional Republic they instituted, as to what it has "evolved" into. Intrusive sprawling government, taxation without representation (the tax they were most infuriated over was 1%, and how much taxation do we accept now), and the suspension of heabius corpus. All in the name of security, and well being.

Let the people be, and they will prosper was Jefferson's attitude. Fiscally conservitive to the point of miserly, (the social programs didn't exist) since government was viewed as a negative influence (the community took care of itself, for a lot less money, for over 100 years). They also sufferred together like the people of Paoli PA, where there is a monument to the people who were slaughtered by the King's troops for being accused of assisting the Continetals. If it is to be a positive influence, it must take from one who has, to give to one who doesn't. The rights of the citizens to be free in their persons and papers without government intrusion, and the land you own is yours, not just in title, but in whole. We now have emminent domain, and accept it. So if the government from the local level up to the feds wants your land, you're S.O.L. They are not required to pay you for what is legally yours.

I wonder how they would view the attitude that the Constitution is a living breathing document open to interpretation? Or that it doesn't apply when the government wants something or to prove a point to keep the people towing the line they want. Either way one looks at it, it's tyranny, not liberty. For you have no recourse. They like to call it "voluntary compliance". Now if that isn't a contradiction in terms, I don't know what is, since each word on it's own negates the other. The definition they use to explain it is, do you at 2:00am stop at a red light? If you do, that's voluntary compliance. Is it? There are traffic laws and statutes that have penalties attached to them if you don't. That's compliance. If you don't comply, to the traffic laws and statutes, you won't be driving for very long. Legally anyways. When you join the armed forces, or the local police dept. or fire dept., without a draft, you do that of your own fee will. To me, there's a difference there unless I've completely missed the point. The boat left, and I wasn't on it. Dang!

Anyways, to get a new platform up and running is going to require the people getting massively involved, or the new platform would have to sell out to the money powerelite, and we would still be in the same situation as we are right now. Folks would need to be more responsible for themselves, instead of depending on government. Which is a tough one since it is rammed down your throat that you can't even wipe your own backside without government involvement.