Consensual sex

Originally Posted by conus00

Just out of curiosity: How many people around you you know waited (or are willing to wait) to have a sex until they are 18? Give me an honest answer...

Furthermore I believe that "drinking age" in the US should be 18. 21 is ridiculous!

To answer your question, hardly anyone waits until they're legal now-a-days. Still, one must set a standard somewhere. 18 is the legal age of consent in the US (at least, most of the US, anyway). It's also the age where you can legally sign a contract as well (meaning the contract you sign when one joins the military, and therefore any other kind of contract as well).

As far as the drinking age issue is concerned, here, it should be 21 and kept there - lots of these kids just can't hold their liquor. It was raised, I believe, due to the huge number of alcohol-related deaths among that age group (car accidents, etc). Once raised, those deaths went down in numbers. Now, being realistic, of course, I doubt anyone actually WAITS until they're 21 to start drinking, but one must set a standard on something somewhere along the way.

Of course, if one is in the military, an automatic exemption should be put into place. If you're old enough to vote and kill, you're old enough to drink the blood, gore and guts out of your brain.

Yeah, I know - double standard. Then again, the average 19 year old doesn't go around killing people for real in a war.

Originally Posted by Skybird

Not really, it makes even a lot of sense. In those years, social perceptions and sense of responsibility changes drastically and quickly with young humans. The olde rone is being held repsonsible for not abusing the social inexperience of the younger one. On the other hand, the difference between 14 and 16, and 16 and 18 may be both two years, but in psychological quality, there are differences between these ages. You cannot prevent nowadays that young ones of age 14 or 15 discover interest in each other, on the other hand you want to prevent that the older one takes unfair advnatge of the younger ones. Thus, the grading of ages.

Hope i made myself clear, I was fighting with terms and language a bit.

No, I think you explained it pretty well. Just seems like a ton of if/and/or things thrown into the programming there, makes it a little confusing, but your explaining clears up the 'why' pretty well. Thanks.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Skybird

In Germany, sex is allowed when you are 14, with a partner age 14 or 15 .

When you are 16, you are allowed to have sex with a partner of age 16, 17, 18 or older.

When you are 18 or older, you may have consensual sex with a 16 or 17 year old, but not with a 14 or 15 year old, or even younger ones.

That seems to be a much more sensible way of defining the law than just one age statement.

[jpm1]

Since the relation is consensual i don't understand what justice comes to do out there . i can quote my personal experience my first time with a girl i was 13 she was 19 , now 21 years later i don't see in what this could have harmed me of any manner whatsoever , the only thing i can take out of it is something gratifying being to go out with a girl of this age is something gratifying . if it was here she would be in jail and maybe me too for me it's like you're saying there's an extraterrestrial invasion happening now on earth . we should apply the "Salomon's law" as i'm not absolutly sure concerning the age we should put let's say to be sure 14 years old but for me we could even go to 12 years old and then for lower years old cases study case by case maybe the good age could be the age a girl can give birth without risks

[Monica Lewinsky]

Originally Posted by jpm1

i can quote my personal experience my first time with a girl i was 13 she was 19 , now 21 years later i don't see in what this could have harmed me of any manner whatsoever

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[NealT]

I would prefer the cork myself...

:rotfl::rotfl:

[Sailor Steve]

The 'Age of Consent' laws I'm used to are complicated and simple at the same time. Age of Consent is 18, with a two-year leeway. If a 19-year-old has sex with a 17-year old it's okay. If a 20-year-old has sex with a 17-year-old it's not. That said, a friend of mine was briefly in a relationship with a 16-year-old girl, and got away with it. Why? Her mother gave permission - thought it would settle her down.

Originally Posted by conus00

Just out of curiosity: How many people around you you know waited (or are willing to wait) to have a sex until they are 18? Give me an honest answer...

I was twenty; my fiance was eighteen. In fact I would have waited until we were married, even if that was another four or five years. I teased her that by California law at that time she could be tried for statutory rape, since the age of consent was 18 for women but 21 for men.

After we broke up I waited until I did get married, at age twenty-four.

[bookworm_020]

16 is the age here in New South Wales, but it differs in each state of Australia. Most have the same age, but a couple are different.

[jpm1]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

The 'Age of Consent' laws I'm used to are complicated and simple at the same time. Age of Consent is 18, with a two-year leeway. If a 19-year-old has sex with a 17-year old it's okay. If a 20-year-old has sex with a 17-year-old it's not. That said, a friend of mine was briefly in a relationship with a 16-year-old girl, and got away with it. Why? Her mother gave permission - thought it would settle her down.

I was twenty; my fiance was eighteen. In fact I would have waited until we were married, even if that was another four or five years. I teased her that by California law at that time she could be tried for statutory rape, since the age of consent was 18 for women but 21 for men.


After we broke up I waited until I did get married, at age twenty-four.

i prezise i'm not partisan of doing it at anytime with several different persons for me to have a stable couple by stable i mean one partner at a time and keep her the longer possible for me to have a stable couple it's very important but here i was talking of discovering its sexuality for me to prevent somebody from discovering its sexuality it's something very bad which can lead to serious psycological disorders

[Sailor Steve]

Well, since I'm a walking 'severe psychological disorder' I can't argue one way or the other.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by jpm1

i prezise i'm not partisan of doing it at anytime with several different persons for me to have a stable couple by stable i mean one partner at a time and keep her the longer possible for me to have a stable couple it's very important but here i was talking of discovering its sexuality for me to prevent somebody from discovering its sexuality it's something very bad which can lead to serious psycological disorders

Discovering your sexuality and exercising it (no laughing) are two distinctly different things. Abstinence causes "serious psychological disorders"? I'd like to see some scientific study on that one. Of course, that would be difficult to do since it is increasingly difficult to find anyone who did/does. If a child develops at an early age (let's say 10) this means that they should "discover" their sexuality by using it? And by not using it, they are causing themselves harm? :hmm: Me thinks not.

[Jimbuna]

In the UK it is 16 in most cases (people with profound learning difficulties are never deemed able to be able to give consent).

A few details some of you may find of interest.

Age of consent (depending on gender).

13 years of age: Spain, S. Korea, Nigeria, Japan, Cyprus.

12 years of age: Phillipines, Mexico, Angola.

[jpm1]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Discovering your sexuality and exercising it (no laughing) are two distinctly different things. Abstinence causes "serious psychological disorders"? I'd like to see some scientific study on that one. Of course, that would be difficult to do since it is increasingly difficult to find anyone who did/does. If a child develops at an early age (let's say 10) this means that they should "discover" their sexuality by using it? And by not using it, they are causing themselves harm? :hmm: Me thinks not.

i said 14 or 12 not 10 and i also said i wasn't sure on the age if the girl enjoys the thing as much as the guy i mean where's the problem . i insist again i'm not an ultraliberal sexuality partisan neither

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by jpm1

i insist again i'm not an ultraliberal sexuality partisan neither

I honestly believe that you aren't one of those My difference in opinion with you was regarding the "psychological harm" that would result from a young person abstaining from sex. You see no harm from children becoming sexually active before they realize fully what the results can be. In an age where (and I hesitate to even bring up the subject) abortion is an "acceptable" form of birth control (in some folks eyes, certainly not mine) the fact that sex causes children doesn't enter into the equation. A 12 or 14 year old is not old enough (no matter how sexually mature they are) to make decisions that would be necessary should a pregnancy result. You say that there is no harm if the girl enjoys it, too, but what of that same girl who has to make a choice between being a child raising a child, carrying the child and giving it up for adoption or an abortion? No matter what choice she makes there is bound to be mental anguish.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Hey DT, girls usually talk to their mom about these things I've known young girls of 13/14 who were taking the pill (is that correct ?). Lots of girls are having their periods as early as 12/13. That's where education gets in IMO, a mother (or even father) must talk about sex with her daughter, not doing so is more irresponsible than letting 13/14yo teens have sex. As you said at that age you tend not to worry much about consequences, so it's up to the parents to explain things.

I never meant that kids shouldn't discuss it, just that condoning sexual activity at that young an age is not something I can agree with. As for the pill, we all know that it's not 100% effective. Only two forms of birth control are 100% effective. I happen to think that one of them is wrong and the other is difficult to practice