Illegal Immigrants Returning to Mexico in Record Numbers

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Thomen

It is acutally not that grueling of a process. It just takes awhile and costs a hefty fee.

Plus that little technicality about learning to speak the language.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Plus that little technicality about learning to speak the language.

You are only required to learn English if you want the citizenship. if you want a green card (legal permanent resident), you don't need it.

[Digital_Trucker]

My bad, I thought we were discussing citizenship.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

My bad, I thought we were discussing citizenship.

The difference is basically just a formality these days. My guess, most people come to this country, or to any country these days anyways just to work, or for whatever personal reason they might have.

[Digital_Trucker]

My guess is that they come here because their own country sucks and they want to get away from it, but they don't want to do it legally 'cause (insert babies cries here) it's too hard and we'd have to pay taxes and we don't want to learn another language, or try to become a part of the society, we want you to conform to our society.

My apologies if I'm being too vague on how I feel about the subject

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

My guess is that they come here because their own country sucks and they want to get away from it, but they don't want to do it legally 'cause (insert babies cries here) it's too hard and we'd have to pay taxes and we don't want to learn another language, or try to become a part of the society, we want you to conform to our society.

My apologies if I'm being too vague on how I feel about the subject

As much as I can see your points and agree with them to some degree, I try not to single out Mexican immigrants as a cause of immigration problems. Admittedly, they are a large part, but I have no doubt that if Ghana or Indonesia or some other 3rd-world nation bordered us to the south, we would be faced with the same problem.

Although I realize this isn't part of anything you said at all, there seems to be a lot of borderline (my lame puns ) racial hatred against Mexicans these days. At least in Texas. There is a danger there.

However, and as always, I do not really support state intervention in this matter, other than to keep the state the hell away from illegal immigrants. Their interference has only made this country more attractive to illegal immigration.
Their social programs and the vast expenditures that they incur are amongst the primary harms of illegal immigration.
I would actually support a constituional amendment to exclude children of illegal workers/immigrants/travelers from being considered citizens of the U.S. when they are born here, thus denying them any social welfare, citizens rights, or police protection.

Deprived of such incentives, the only immigrants we would face would be those willing to immigrate properly, or those willing to tolerate the ridiculous abuses they would indubitably suffer without any citizen's rights.

That way, we get the benefits of immigration in our labor pool and our tax base, whilst only exploiting those that would otherwise damage it, as well as reducing the tide of immigrants overall.

Win-win-win.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

My guess is that they come here because their own country sucks and they want to get away from it, but they don't want to do it legally 'cause (insert babies cries here) it's too hard and we'd have to pay taxes and we don't want to learn another language, or try to become a part of the society, we want you to conform to our society.

My apologies if I'm being too vague on how I feel about the subject

No need to apologize. Personally, I'd say get rid off all the illegals immigrants. Ship 'em back from where ever they come from and built a wall or fence AND put the man power up to actually secure the border. If someone is that desperate to come into a country they can do it the legal way.

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

...or those willing to tolerate the ridiculous abuses they would indubitably suffer without any citizen's rights.

This does not make sense. They endured it before someone came up with that fabulous idea of sanctuary cities and they will further endure it after those sanctuaries are gone. The numbers may dwindle, but , imho, they will pick up again if the Dollares gets stronger again.

[Digital_Trucker]

@ UnderseaLcpl Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Mexicans as a group. Some of the finest neighbors I've had have been from South of the Border (no, not the one on I-95 :rotfl. And I agree that it wouldn't matter who was down there, we would probably be invaded (after all, we're not being invaded by Canadians).

My gripe is with the concept that a person can come up here (legally or not) and expect to impose their culture on the rest of the country. Someone please explain to me why our entire country should learn to speak Mexican? For crying out loud, the teachers in schools now are having to be bilingual in order to teach! If I were to move to Mexico (or France, or Germany, or Italy, or Russia) I wouldn't expect the entire society to magically start speaking English to accomodate me, why should we be expected to do the same?