Bush Orders Military to Deliver Aid to Georgia

[SUBMAN1]

Crap. This now has the capability to spiral out of control.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402982,00.html

Everyone laughed at me before, but this whole world nuking itself back to the stone age is an even greater risk than it was in the Cold War. Of course, we have a new cold war going on anyway, but at least the old one was more controlled.

-S

[Dowly]

We know, and there's a thread about the situation of/in Georgia just one thread below this (After I post this, prolly 2 threads down).

[Platapus]

while the idea of humanitarian aid is laudable, I have to agree with Subman that this has the potential of going bad real fast.

This is the time for careful and complete thinking.. but when did we ever get that from a politician?

[DeepIron]

Well, guys, they can't send civilians... then there would be accusations of covert ops...

[mapuc]

It's okey to start a new thread about the same thing, when the other thread is many pages and very immense to read.

now back to the thread

is it 100% pure aid in those deliveries?

it's a good way to get wapeon to the Georgian military a.s.o

Markus

[UnderseaLcpl]

What a waste

We can't afford this crap, as noble as it may be.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Platapus

......careful and complete thinking.. but when did we ever get that from a politician?

You could have left out the careful and complete part, we're lucky if they're even equipped for thinking

[Skybird]

and while Anteater pointed at specifics of that agreement the pro-Georgia camp will not be pleased to hear, I may remind you of this article in the WP that indicated that McCain security advisor also was (and is?) on the payrole of Georgia, lobbying for it. Reminds me of the never silencing accusations regarding the strong Israeli influence on internal american policy-forming.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...202932_pf.html

Rumour is Obama aids sent a card saying thanks to the McCain campaigning camp.

[AntEater]

Actually, as you mention them:
Israel is quite restrained on the whole thing, despite the fact that the georgian defense minister is an israeli citizen, a georgian jew with both passports.
First, Israel wants russia not to supply weapons to Hezbollah or Iran.
Second, Israel has done pretty much the same to Lebanon two years ago.

Funny was how different israeli war reporters covered that conflict.
While the whole western press spoke of "heavy bombardment" to Gori, Israeli reporters spoke of "some mortar fire".
Having military experience is quite useful for a reporter, it seems.

Btw, regarding all those soviet analogies, it is strange that always Russia is equated with the USSR.
Reminds me how Austria managed to escape all the blame for the Nazis, despite the fact that not only Hitler but scores of important Nazis were Austrians.
The other soviet republics managed to do the same in regards to the USSR.
Not only Stalin was Georgian, but Beria, Orzhonikidse and basically all of Beria's staff.
Mikoyan was Armenian, Melkhis (one of the greatest purgers in the 30s) was Latvian, Khrushev was Ukrainian....

Regarding Israel, foreign minister Livni recently (before the war) blocked a military package ordered by Georgia.
It included guns, APCs, helicopter gunships and Merkava tanks.
Second hand weapons, but still modern israeli hardware. Merkava tanks were never exported to anyone sofar. I suppose the gunships might've been Cobras.
Seems like a "Sakashvili gets no Merkavas and Achmadinejad gets no S-300s" deal here.
I suppose if Sakashvili's gamble had worked and he had retaken Ossetia, the israeli arms would've been used for the reconquest of Abkhazia.

[Skybird]

'No US forces needed in Georgia'

(translates into: "The mean Russians don't let us play with them". )

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7561586.stm

Originally Posted by Skybird

german media report that even the americans start to win distance to him. Maybe they have not shown him the door already, but they handed him his coat already, for sure.

Gate'S statement is the official beginning of the end of Shaakashvilli.

Meanwhile, Sarkozy also gets only a cautious welcome at home:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7560279.stm

Europe is "divided between old and new member states" with the first "being understanding towards Russia, the second not at all".

These divisions were perceived as having complicated Mr Sarkozy's task of representing the EU in Moscow this week.
Yves Theard in the centre-right Le Figaro said that "the Europe of 27 members states is not well placed to curb Russian confidence. "Too many countries, freed from the yoke of Moscow, are driven by a desire for revenge against Russia to allow for a calm, united and consensual European diplomacy. Poland and the Baltic states are not ready".