Crits/Comments about US Navy

[Chad]

Okay, I just want some direction in my life. I feel like i'm going no where. This is why I think it would be a good decision.

My love for the sea, when i was younger we travelled to Florida all the time, and i just love the smell, sound, and plain sight of it. I've always been a good swimmer and can hold my breath for about a minute, which probably doesn't matter but water is like second nature.

When I first bought Sh2 i didn't know the difference betweeen a bow plane and a depth charge. I have to admit, i was never really that interested in submarines or the naval warfare part of things. But the wolfpack league, and subsim really informed me on a lot and that's where i learned and became hooked on it. They also taught me some stuff like programming, like the .sdf files that SH2 came with for mission scripting. That led me to develop my own game.
/\ So what i guess i'm trying to say here, is that i've really grown a respect for such technological advanced things. And I'm quick to adapt and learn how to use and operate such equipment.

It is for myself. I'm not joining to live up to a family tradition, to prove something, or show-off. I want to do this, I want to serve my country, and when I'm dead and my family comes to see my grave, I want the American flag flying next to my grave, showing I served my country the best I can.

And, as I mentioned in my previous post, I want direction in life. Maybe I can learn a new skill, or expand my knowledge in one I already had. So that after I retire or get released, I can easily get a job with my experience in the field.

Nothing is final, i'm going to pray about it, talk to friends and family, and last, the recruiter to see what options are available for me, and see where things go.

[Tchocky]

What kind of education are you in right now?

It's usually best to finish school, then move on.

[SUBMAN1]

I'd say do it. You will learn a lot! Besides, 20 is way too young to get married. I waited till I was 28! You need to live life, you need to live life being 21 without being married. You will both want this - trust me on that. You will feel like you missed a part of your life if you get married this early. In a few years, maybe you can get back together again if you want, but for now - you need to see the world without being hitched. Navy is a great way to do that, and learn skills and dicipline at the same time!

Chances are, when you go for a few years at this, you will see the mistake you were making. She left because she wasn't sure. That is the problem - you are too young to know if its the 'sure' thing. As far as I'm concerned, her breaking it off is probably the best thing that happened to both of you at this point, yet I hardly doubt you realize it yet.

Am I making sense? Don't be down on this. Look at it as an opportunity to find out what 'you' really want in life. When i was 20, I thought i knew it all, but I didn't know squat.

-S

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Am I making sense?

Don't be down on this. Look at it as an opportunity to find out what 'you' really want in life. When i was 20, I thought i knew it all, but I didn't know squat.

-S

No, you old geezer:rotfl:
Yeah wait till you're 25. I do know everything now!

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

No, you old geezer:rotfl:
Yeah wait till you're 25. I do know everything now!

I think you realize how much you don't know the older you get! Maybe I'm getting old since I know this? I think when you hit 30 is when you first realize that you really don't know anything!

I feel like I'm spewing wisdom now, and thats bad since it takes age to have true wisdom. Ah oh!

-S

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I think you realize how much you don't know the older you get! Maybe I'm getting old since I know this? I think when you hit 30 is when you first realize that you really don't know anything!

I feel like I'm spewing wisdom now, and thats bad since it takes age to have true wisdom. Ah oh!

-S

Man, I have to be 30 to know how dumb I am? I didn't think I could get any dumber. That's depressing

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Man, I have to be 30 to know how dumb I am? I didn't think I could get any dumber. That's depressing

It gets worse! :rotfl:

-S

[Skybird]

Two things.

First, if you join the military for any other reason than wanting to be with the military by heart and soul, then you are an idiot, and only a fool would like the perspective of going into battle with you by his side. It is not a simple job like any other. You eventually end up killing or getting killed, hurt others and getting hurt. Don't engage in this as a profession just because you have forgotten where your Mom has hidden the candies. This is not a job like any other, and you must not join the military just because you are looking for friends. That is stupid. there are many more ways to find friends.

Second, you said you can't stand being at home alone. I say: listen to the silence. It has a lot to tell you about yourself. I am always alarmed about people who can't be alone, because they are always - always! - running away, mostly from themselves, from uncomfortable questions. I also never met a person who can't be alone and was happy with all the action he/she filled her life with in order to evade the silence. It is just distraction from what really bothers you. If you always need the silence being filled with chatter, you cannot listen to any answers. If you can't stay alone with yourself, you don't live your life - you get lived: by others, and their standards and norms and opinions and deeds and actions.

avoiding the silence and joining the military for wrong reasons will do you no good, when taking for real what you wrote about your life. It may keep you so busy that you do not ask questions, and must not face your hidden self that torments you with the Why of your life - but that way you will never face yourself, you will never recongise yourself, and one day when it all comes to the end for you you will have lived your life in vain.

For some people, the military is the right thing. But never is the military the right thing for everybody. And my impression is for you it would just be another way to run away.

regarding your fiance: lket her go. ease your grip. If it is true that she left forever, then your part in this chapter of life is over. You are not the first, and won't be the last suffering this fate. Your fate is nothing special at all. So let it go, leave it behind, move on. time will heal the wounds. and at löeast you know that she is living on a life. If you really felt love, you should know by know that love does not need the poessession of the other, but wishes the other what is best for him/her no matter if you ghet your personal desires rewarded or not. True love canot be selfish. If you claim your desire to be the ultimate standard, then you did not love.

Sorry if I sound rude, but call it therapeutical cruelty.

And one final last thing. It's always better to use your freedom to direct yourself than getting directed by others. Because in this world most times the others will not mean it well with you. You want direction in your life? What's hindering you to try and find out? It's all laid out in front of you, wide and open, so see your options, and make use of them. By actually doing whatever you do you find out soon enough wether it will satisfy you or not. Just don't give your freedom away too easily. If you do - make sure that it is worth it.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Two things.

First, if you join the military for any other reason than wanting to be with the military by heart and soul, then you are an idiot, and only a fool would like the perspective of going into battle with you by his side. It is not a simple job like any other. You eventually end up killing or getting killed, hurt others and getting hurt. Don't engage in this as a profession just because you have forgotten where your Mom has hidden the candies. This is not a job like any other, and you must not join the military just because you are looking for friends. That is stupid. there are many more ways to find friends.

Second, you said you can't stand being at home alone. I say: listen to the silence. It has a lot to tell you about yourself. I am always alarmed about people who can't be alone, because they are always - always! - running away, mostly from themselves, from uncomfortable questions. I also never met a person who can't be alone and was happy with all the action he/she filled her life with in order to evade the silence. It is just distraction from what really bothers you. If you always need the silence being filled with chatter, you cannot listen to any answers. If you can't stay alone with yourself, you don't live your life - you get lived: by others, and their standards and norms and opinions and deeds and actions.

avoiding the silence and joining the military for wrong reasons will do you no good, when taking for real what you wrote about your life. It may keep you so busy that you do not ask questions, and must not face your hidden self that torments you with the Why of your life - but that way you will never face yourself, you will never recongise yourself, and one day when it all comes to the end for you you will have lived your life in vain.

For some people, the military is the right thing. But never is the military the right thing for everybody. And my impression is for you it would just be another way to run away.

regarding your fiance: lket her go. ease your grip. If it is true that she left forever, then your part in this chapter of life is over. You are not the first, and won't be the last suffering this fate. Your fate is nothing special at all. So let it go, leave it behind, move on. time will heal the wounds. and at löeast you know that she is living on a life. If you really felt love, you should know by know that love does not need the poessession of the other, but wishes the other what is best for him/her no matter if you ghet your personal desires rewarded or not. True love canot be selfish. If you claim your desire to be the ultimate standard, then you did not love.

Sorry if I sound rude, but call it therapeutical cruelty.

And one final last thing. It's always better to use your freedom to direct yourself than getting directed by others. Because in this world most times the others will not mean it well with you. You want direction in your life? What's hindering you to try and find out? It's all laid out in front of you, wide and open, so see your options, and make use of them. By actually doing whatever you do you find out soon enough wether it will satisfy you or not. Just don't give your freedom away too easily. If you do - make sure that it is worth it.

That was a little harsh. He didn't say he wanted to join JUST because he was looking for firends.
Why are you assuming that Mr. Chad is looking to join the military because he pines for his fiancee' or is only turning to it in desperation?

He is looking at the military as an option because he feels like his life is going nowhere and is looking for some direction. He already said he has always loved the military. Skybird, you make it sound like he is inherently wrong for considering it, given his current state.

[Sailor Steve]

Most of what you need to consider has been said, so I'll just calm your mind on one thing: Don't worry about whether you're in shape or not. Boot camp will take care of that.

@ Subman1: You are so absolutely right on the "know-it-all" thing. Awhile back on these very boards I repeated the old phrase "The more I learn, the less I know." Somebody came back with "That makes no sense." The only reply I could think of was "That's because you're young and still know everything.":rotfl:

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Most of what you need to consider has been said, so I'll just calm your mind on one thing: Don't worry about whether you're in shape or not. Boot camp will take care of that.

@ Subman1: You are so absolutely right on the "know-it-all" thing. Awhile back on these very boards I repeated the old phrase "The more I learn, the less I know." Somebody came back with "That makes no sense." The only reply I could think of was "That's because you're young and still know everything.":rotfl:

I hear ya! The older I get, the more I realize that I don't know squat! I mean I'm good in some areas, namely electronics for instance, but ya know someone is always got a leg up on me in some form or fasion there and the older I get, I realize that someone will 'always' have a leg up on me in some form or fasion in any field I happen to be in, regardless if people think I am the person that knows it all or not!

I chock it up to life. You may be the best shot, but someone out there can out do you!

-S

[JALU3]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Most of what you need to consider has been said, so I'll just calm your mind on one thing: Don't worry about whether you're in shape or not. Boot camp will take care of that.

However, being in shape helps. But I knew people who were in excellent physical shape, but couldn't take the mental pressure and molding that happens in BCT.

And I have to tell you, go into the military lightly. It either helps people mature, or breaks them. However, I would say it is always a positive thing.

So you're in college. One thing I did, I dropped out and enlisted, and then got my honorable. My recommendation is don't. I have buddies of mine who stayed in got their commissions.
I would recommend you to first get to know who you are, don't worry about being with someone else until you have found yourself. College gives you a lot of time to do that. So what if you are still at home, if you are working towards a goal of improving yourself. Part of that is education, but remember that that is only part of it.
Believe me, when you are happy with yourself, and when you have found yourself, you will find someone who wants to be with you for you, and not for who they think you are.
Also. If you are interested in the Military, there are other ways to do your part for your country, help you in maturization, without having to go active duty for 4 straight years. Look at the alternatives out there . . . there are many just as good as going active duty, regardless of the branch you choose.
ROTC (Army/Navy/AF)?
National Guard?
Simultanious Membership Program?
Army Reserve?
Air Force Reserve?
Marine Corps Reserve?
Air National Guard?
Naval Reserve?
State Military Reserves?

And if you enjoy the military life part time, it's always easier to go full time then the other way around. Furthermore there are educational benifits with going AR/NG route.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

That was a little harsh. He didn't say he wanted to join JUST because he was looking for firends.
Why are you assuming that Mr. Chad is looking to join the military because he pines for his fiancee' or is only turning to it in desperation?

He is looking at the military as an option because he feels like his life is going nowhere and is looking for some direction. He already said he has always loved the military. Skybird, you make it sound like he is inherently wrong for considering it, given his current state.

It was meant to be a bit harsh, and I'll stick to every single word of it: for several reasons that owe their existence to what he said about himself, and the fact that joining the military never should be an easy decision. Direction you can find in many other jobs as well, and if serving is what he wants, there are firefighters, policemen, medics, ambulance drivers, SAR rescue flyers... Being soldier is different to any of these, so he better is sure about his motives and has no illusions about what he is getting into. Soldiers - warriors! - kill and get killed, in this all branches of the armed forces are the same, call it what you want, this is what it comes down to. And this is what you should be clear about and have no illusions or stupid self-deceptions about. Nobody should get persuaded or confirmed to join the military. He should come to that all by himself. Only once he is into it and finds it is what he was looking for, you support him in that role, as a friend. Confirming or persuading him in advance is almost criminal negligence.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Skybird

It was meant to be a bit harsh, and I'll stick to every single word of it: for several reasons that owe their existence to what he said about himself, and the fact that joining the military never should be an easy decision. Direction you can find in many other jobs as well, and if serving is what he wants, there are firefighters, policemen, medics, ambulance drivers, SAR rescue flyers... Being soldier is different to any of these, so he better is sure about his motives and has no illusions about what he is getting into. Soldiers - warriors! - kill and get killed, in this all branches of the armed forces are the same, call it what you want, this is what it comes down to. And this is what you should be clear about and have no illusions or stupid self-deceptions about. Nobody should get persuaded or confirmed to join the military. He should come to that all by himself. Only once he is into it and finds it is what he was looking for, you support him in that role, as a friend. Confirming or persuading him in advance is almost criminal negligence.

As much as I like skybird I am not even going to get in to this. This is Chad's personal issue. If he would like to contact me via pm I will describe in full detail the horrors of war and the likleyhood he will see them based on his choice of occupational specialty.

I am just trying to help him make a decision. As you said, skybird, the choice is his. I have related my experiences to him so he can judge whether or not it is right for him.

The reason I found your post a bit abrasive was because it sounded like an attack on his personal character. To me, it sounded like you were saying he had no friends and that his reasons for joining were wrong.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree there but I can assure you that, should Chad decide to ask me for advice, I will not omit any details concerning what he will encounter in his service, be it in a non-combat or combat arm of our forces

Firstly, saying that joining the military will result in one's premature death, even eventually, is nonsense. Most of the military never even sees combat. Once again I am happy to offer advice if Chad chooses to look at a combat occupational specialty.

I will not post details concerning combat specialties here. And I am sure that other members have even more horrific stories than mine. If Chad is interested I will tell him of my experiences.

Overall, your post seemed to indicate that he was intersted in the military because of personal failures. That is simply not true. From what I gather, our friend is simply looking for some direction and has considered the military, I will offer him all the advice I can on that option.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Skybird

It was meant to be a bit harsh, and I'll stick to every single word of it: for several reasons that owe their existence to what he said about himself, and the fact that joining the military never should be an easy decision. Direction you can find in many other jobs as well, and if serving is what he wants, there are firefighters, policemen, medics, ambulance drivers, SAR rescue flyers... Being soldier is different to any of these, so he better is sure about his motives and has no illusions about what he is getting into. Soldiers - warriors! - kill and get killed, in this all branches of the armed forces are the same, call it what you want, this is what it comes down to. And this is what you should be clear about and have no illusions or stupid self-deceptions about. Nobody should get persuaded or confirmed to join the military. He should come to that all by himself. Only once he is into it and finds it is what he was looking for, you support him in that role, as a friend. Confirming or persuading him in advance is almost criminal negligence.

In a perfect world, you would not need the military. A little clue though - this is not the perfect world, nor will ever be.

What this will give him is it will make a man out of him, from self worth to respect. Something maybe you should look at too.

-S