Covert Escalation in Iran

[Stealth Hunter]

I hope it doesn't. If the operations start failing, maybe he'll give up and we can quit pestering one another to give the Middle-Easterners some PEACE!

[Skybird]

Not surprising at all. Things like this are running since the mid-80s - tells you something about the chances of "regime change". And if they put their trust into the jundallah, by far no unknown variable in Iran, then you cannot escape shaking your head in despair about this new american idiocy - don't they never learn from their mistakes? Have they forgotten how the CIA and the Pakistani created the Taleban during the Soviet occupation, sending them to fight the Russians? Look at the Taleban now.

[August]

The article by reporter Seymour Hersh,

Meaning it's based on unidentified "government sources" and not necessarily actual people...

[geetrue]

This is most interesting material you have provided PD ...

Please tell us more ... we get so little news where we live.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Man who spied for Israel to be executed:
http://www.reuters.com/article/world...080630?sp=true

PD

[Platapus]

I am not surprised that Israel has agents in Iran. I would be shocked if they didn't.

They are usually smart enough not to get caught though.

"As always if you are caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow all knowledge of your operation"

[SUBMAN1]

What scares me the most is Iran's declining population. Child birth out there used to be almost 7 per woman. This is how they did the mass suicide attacks against Iraq forcing Saddam to resort to gas to stop them, lest he be over-run. Current child birth rate is 1.7 per woman - not enough to maintain the current population.

This gives rise to Iran's agressive tendencies as of late. Are they rattling sabre's in an act prior to war? Iran has the man power to mount an offensive in the gulf if it wants to. In the future, it is clear that they will be of limited capacity due to its aging population - faster than any other western country including Europe!

Just some thoughts. I expect soemthing out of them soon.

-S

[PeriscopeDepth]

Originally Posted by Platapus

They are usually smart enough not to get caught though.

$hit happens, I suppose.

And I just finished reading this blog article:
http://informationdissemination.blog...an-option.html

Interesting highlight:

Originally Posted by Information Dissemination

We believe if one was casting odds, the odds of Barak Obama or John McCain bombing Iraq in the first 100 days of their presidency is higher than Bush bombing in his remaining days. With that said, we believe Israel will likely bomb Iran during the Bush administration, and when it happens it will change the way the world looks at 21st century warfare. SUTER will be small stuff compared to what we expect to see.

I can't say what, but I do think something will happen in the next few months. All parties have been making a fair amount of noise.

PD

[Iceman]

Originally Posted by Skybird

then you cannot escape shaking your head in despair about this new american idiocy

Kinda like some old German idiocy huh Skybird?...your such a dork.

When some Ahole says he would wipe a country off the map...your a fool to turn your back on him...I think that is common sense.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Iceman

Kinda like some old German idocy huh Skybird?...your such a dork.

I second that. They should have never integrated East Germany with the West. The result was SB.

-S

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I second that. They should have never integrated East Germany with the West. The result was SB.

-S

We aren't going to be calling people names. If you want to argue points, then argue them, but you are both over the line right now. Step back, take a breath and realize that this is just a naval simulation forum. No minds are going to be changed here.

The Management

[Tchocky]

Interesting snippet from Gates on action against iran.

"Gates warned of the consequences if the Bush Administration staged a pre-emptive strike on Iran, saying, as the senator recalled, 'We'll create generations of jihadists, and our grandchildren will be battling our enemies here in America.' Gates's comments stunned the Democrats at the lunch, and another senator asked whether Gates was speaking for Bush and Vice-President Dick Cheney."Gates's answer, the senator told me, was 'Let's just say that I'm here speaking for myself.'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport...tsy_gates.html

August - I wouldn't be so quick to disparage Mr Hersh. For every Dark Side of Camelot there's an Abu Ghraib, a My Lai, a KAL 007...

[August]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

August - I wouldn't be so quick to disparage Mr Hersh. For every Dark Side of Camelot there's an Abu Ghraib, a My Lai, a KAL 007...

The Abu Ghraib story was not brought to light by Hersh, nor was My Lai. Both were made public by serving members of the US military. As for KAL 007 Hersh did make some accusations of CIA involvement, again based on mysterious and unidentified "government sources" but AFAIK they remain unsubstantiated.

Personally, i think Hersh is good at claiming credit for the risk of others and very good at making things up. I would not trust his reporting one single bit.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

We aren't going to be calling people names. If you want to argue points, then argue them, but you are both over the line right now. Step back, take a breath and realize that this is just a naval simulation forum. No minds are going to be changed here.

The Management

I apologize for my comments, but maybe we can also tone down the constant attacks, specifically on my country. It is non-stop.

-S

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I apologize for my comments, but maybe we can also tone down the constant attacks, specifically on my country. It is non-stop.

-S

Apology accepted, and no harm. I think that you bring a lot of great things to this forum. After all, you are SubSim's Mr. Tech Advice. Still, criticism of a goverment is not on the same level as a personal attack. There is a lot said on this forum about the US, EU, China, Russia, et al. It's all acceptable, so long as it remains 'country X's goverment is doing something stupid', and not 'forum member X is stupid'.