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Old 06-18-08, 12:11 AM   #61
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Old 06-18-08, 12:15 AM   #62
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The real retaliation would be Iran sinking a tanker in the gulf (possibly a live-fire exercise that goes 'oh so horribly wrong'), or even just mining it. Oil skyrockets, gulf is closed to shipping, and Iran gets its own back at the west who it will deem to have supported Israels actions.
Wouldn't that hurt the rest of the Gulf states as much or more than the west? After all if we ain't buying it, they ain't making money selling it.
When you say Gulf States, that means to me Bahrain, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman, and the UAE. They are certainly Western aligned, some more so than others. All it would take is the Iranians publically saying they've mined the entire Gulf and and for a single ship to explode for oil to go to prices that would make $135/barrel seem quite reasonable. And they'd be able to take it a lot longer than we would.

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Old 06-18-08, 05:07 AM   #63
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Funny that some people only talk about the "middle east" with old simplistic clichés.
"Syria retaliating against Israel" ? Get yourself a newspaper, they've been negociating peace since a few weeks, so you might have to wait a bit longer.
And how successfully and seriously meant the negotiations go. Wowh! No sign that Olmert started it as a means of distracting from his problems, and never meant it serious. Forgotten that Syria wants back the territory of the Golan that it rightfully has lost to the victim of it'S war of aggression against Israel.

I recommend you print out the negotiation news, frame it nicely, put it into your cupboard so that the glass cannot brake, and then you can find it in fourty years and have a remembering session of how nice it all could have been if only... yeah, if only...

Neither Syria nor Israel is serious in these negotiations. For Olmert, it is about distraction, for Syria about collecting worldwide sympathies for at least the "honest" attempt. Living the life as rogue-state is not nice, so from time to time you seek some relief from that image.
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Ahh, but alas, it seems to be a comon theme from over there!

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Old 06-18-08, 05:30 AM   #65
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I didn't say it was otherwise, did I ?
Re-reading your posting I still understand it as expressing that they are seriously negotiating. And that I doubt.
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Old 06-18-08, 05:48 AM   #66
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Well I agree it's misleading but the point of my post was, with ongoing negociation (however a scam they can be), a "Syrian retaliation against Israel" is not gonna happen. As you point out, Assad seems to be following Gaddafi's path, trying to look nice, opening diplomatic channels which were closed since a long time, etc. That makes the above "retaliation" even more science fiction, that's all
really? at the same time they are heavily engaged and active in operations to undermine and control Lebanon, form ties with Iran, supplying weapons to Hezbollah.

and the other thing: if I would wish to launch a strike against somebody, I would do it while he is sleeping, or I would try to make him safe and comfortable, and win his trust - while putting a poison in his vine.

Deception and hiding is part of politics, globally, and in the orient no less. That the negotiate means nothing at this point of time. So, one should be careful before reading something into it, or conclude on motivations.
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Neither are you. Especially in matters of racism.
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Did I claim to be?
You were the one making the judgements. My salary also seems to be an issue with you. Care to explain why your honor?
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Ah, but so were you on Muslims and Middle-Easterners. You salary is not an issue, just curious on how much a school teacher makes, that's all.
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Keep it in PM, fellas.

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Hehe, squirrel.

Rather good article on US-Israel-Iran here. It's primarily a feature on John McCain, but it gives a decent overview.
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Keep it in PM, fellas.
No need. I think we both know where we stand.
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Hehe, squirrel.

Rather good article on US-Israel-Iran here. It's primarily a feature on John McCain, but it gives a decent overview.
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The bottom line is that Iran is not, and never will be, a serious military threat to the United States, centrifuges spinning or not.
A nuclear weapon is a serious threat...or even the threat of such a device.

This is absurd nonsense...and I truly feel sorry for you Tchocky if you actually believe the koomby-ya "Rhetoric" of Obama..."America is ready for a change"...is Obama's speil....

Nothing new under the sun grasshopper....when you can snatch the pebble from my hand it will be time for you to understand...

amazing...there is no easy solution,magic wand,or miracle change that either candidate can pull out of his buttocks...to suddenly change what has taken thousands of years to accomplish which is the almost total destruction of the planet...this has been in motion for a long time are you so arrogant to think one "Human" can change that...one will claim to...soon.

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