Time running out for Israeli-Iranian showdown?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Platapus

No back then they were complaining about how in 1953 the American CIA instigated an overthrow of a democratically formed government and brought back a dictator who abused the people with secret polices, kidnapping, torture, and repression.

I have a friend that would probably like to punch you in the nose right now. It was the best time in all of history for all Iranians.

-S

[PeriscopeDepth]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

You don't know as much as you'd like to think about relations between the two countries. That's not trying to seem rude, mind you, but if you've stayed in Iran or even lived there, you'd know that there's a lot of talk between the countries... very secretive and very sensitive topics, might I add...

I know there's a lot of talk between the countries. Not all of it happy. Like how Russia has been delaying completion of the Bushehr reactor and blaming Iran for not paying, which the Iranians deny. Or how an Iran-Turkey pipeline has been superceding pipelines through the fUSSR in Russia's attempt to shore up their position in the Euro energy market. Or how Iran won't buy Russian fighters or subs again unless they are forced to (though they do seem to be fond of something the Russians have long been leaders at making - SAMs).
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IG28Ak03.html

They're very good friends once you get under the surface.

Neither side trusts one another. It is a relationship brought on by a common enemy in the region. It is in both their interests to minimize American influence in both the Middle East and the Caucasus.

If it became a war for fuel, then it's very possible that it would result in nuclear conflict (and the one thing Russia has always wanted is resources; they might have enough, but it never hurts to have a little more, especially when your ally has the third largest reserve in the world!).

I just don't see it. They are allies of neccessity, and ones that don't trust each other at that. MAD kept the fUSSR and the USA from going to nuclear war with each other. It is silly to think that Iran will change anything about that. And it's laughable that you list North Korea as the third power in this fictious nuclear triad that will oppose the United States.

Russia is simply one of a few powerful countries that will openly associate with Iran. It is a symbiotic relationship for both countries due to their interests in the region. But even then Russia realizes it has to keep its distance from Iran, who is an international pariah. They have signed a treaty, but one that is largely symbolic and certainly not a suicide pact.

PD

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

:rotfl:

That isn't true? I mean those mobs we saw rioting, burning and killing each other over some silly Danish cartoons were imaginary?

And what does my salary got to do with it? BTW your estimate is way low...

[August]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Come on August, calling an Iranian an Arab is just like calling Steed an Irish
"Angry mobs" is just a colourful image ...

But Mikhayl, I didn't call them Arabs and believe me I do understand the difference.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by August

That isn't true? I mean those mobs we saw rioting, burning and killing each other over some silly Danish cartoons were imaginary?

And what does my salary got to do with it? BTW your estimate is way low...

Not as common as you're led to believe... or as you have led yourself to believe.

And I'd watch the racist comments.

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

And I'd watch the racist comments.

Please quote the racist part.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Not as common as you're led to believe... or as you have led yourself to believe.

And I'd watch the racist comments.

Tell that to the 28 cars and 35 garbage trucks! http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019994.php

:p

They must have been rioting for a long while to even find 35 garbage trucks! Wow!

-S

PS. They rioted in 50 countries. Seems to me a ton of people.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by August

Please quote the racist part.

Gladly.

From what i've read folks in that part of the world don't need much of a reason at all to form an angry mob.

That isn't true?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Gladly.

I don't think so. Its fact, not fiction, and doesn't call out an ethnic type. To call this racism is to try to censor it too. Bad!

-S

[Skybird]

The major threat from an nuclear armed Iran is not that it would attack Israel directly. The major threat is a nuclear armed Iran getting involved in proliferation, and supplying terror organisations. If there will ever explode a nuke in the US, it will have been build on the American continent or assemble preconstructed components there, or will have been delivered via ship or air crago, in a container or something like that - you get the idea. A small company jet also is a possebility, or a trawler. europe is more likely to get delivered a complete package instead of seeing such a terror bomb being constructed in a Western nation, due to the shorter distance and the land-travel opportunity.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

I have a friend that would probably like to punch you in the nose right now. It was the best time in all of history for all Iranians.

-S

I don't really care about your violent friends

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Gladly.

Sorry, I disagree.

[Iceman]

Go back to topic...Crikey..lol..I think someone used the correct word here for your lack vision Stealth...."Nieve"...but I did not realize your heritage is from over there so I understand your bias now.

It is a powder keg in the middle east and the spark can come from any fire over there.

I'm still waiting for some retaliation from Syria for Israel's little excursion into they're territory a few months back.

Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.....we ain't buying it.

Go sell crazy somewhere else lol..

[baggygreen]

I love that analogy iceman..

Syria won't retaliate against israel because they know if they were to try, the world would believe these 'israeli lies' about there being a nuke plant in Syria.

Same deal goes with the rest of the ME, if israel were to attack Irans facilities, then you'd hear a lot of outrage from gulf states who would at the same time be thanking israel for setting back a nasty threat.

There might be more suiide bombings by the palestinians, might be more rocket attacks by hezbollah and retaliatory raids by the israelis, but i dont think much more than that would happen to israel.

The real retaliation would be Iran sinking a tanker in the gulf (possibly a live-fire exercise that goes 'oh so horribly wrong'), or even just mining it. Oil skyrockets, gulf is closed to shipping, and Iran gets its own back at the west who it will deem to have supported Israels actions.

[August]

Originally Posted by baggygreen

The real retaliation would be Iran sinking a tanker in the gulf (possibly a live-fire exercise that goes 'oh so horribly wrong'), or even just mining it. Oil skyrockets, gulf is closed to shipping, and Iran gets its own back at the west who it will deem to have supported Israels actions.

Wouldn't that hurt the rest of the Gulf states as much or more than the west? After all if we ain't buying it, they ain't making money selling it.