Shallow water evasion

[treblesum81]

The noise meter is not a definitive science but more an indicator that you are making noise and may be heard

This is something I've come to understand, but in the scenario I just described, I was essentially surfaced with the bridge watch on duty, yet was undetected by the DD until after I submerged, all other factors remained the same in that I did not change engine settings, or go silent running. The fact is that I was probably making more noise on the surface than submerged due to the diesle engines, so why did the DD not detect me sound wise until I went down?

Also, I want to point out that the meter really shows you how likely you are to be detected by enemies. It will stay green if you are surfaced next to a neutral, and go red if you are within an enemie's visual range (though they won't necessarily detect you), even at a dead stop with silent running in force. At least that has been my observation.

Greg

[Jimbuna]

His hydrophones are meant/designed to hear underwater sounds...radar is intended for surfaced vessels maybe :hmm:

[gord96]

in my Type II i was able to evade several DD's in 60m of water. Its not even so much that they have trouble dectecting u but there DC's miss alot because u are so small.

Anyways anything bigger then a type II in shallow waters and its not a good idea.

[GoldenRivet]

against my better judgement i ventured into some 50 meter water off the US east coast.

i got ambushed by an escort destroyer

i did survive, but for a long while this guy had me by the short hairs!

nasically, i went as deep as i could which was only about 40 -50 meters and pointed my boat east toward the deep water. i made evasive turns with every depth charge run occasionally listening for splashes by manning the hydrophone myself.

my biggest fear was not this particular destroyer, but wondering how many friends he had on the way!

eventually (i dont remember how long) but this destroyer ran out of depth charges and continued making dashes above me as if to drop his DCs but dropping nothing.

i continued to inch my way east until the echolot indicated an additional 40 or 50 meters below me. I went deeper right above the sea floor and the destroyer lost contact as my batteries were drained to about 20% from the die hard engagement.

we had taken a beating which resulted in only light damage.

surviving in the shallows comes down to patience, luck and religion... be patient, dont zig when you should zag, and pray for a break or some deep water

[Penelope_Grey]

Well lol... against my better judgement.... I chased a convoy into shallow waters... with a sea state of 0 m/s sun shining full pelt got caught, depthcharged... start wondering if I should break off? NO!! By this point, anger is clouding my judgement...

Im chasing the convoy south through the shallow water. Night time comes. Phase 1 of the attack happens on the surface, due to summer months I have about 5 hours of pitch dark, maybe less. In I go on the surface, One Large Cargo and two Ore Carriers... thanks... goodnight.

Managed to break off on the surface and reload my forward tubes. Phase 2 of the attack a submerged dawn attack. One modern tanker scrubbed off... but sadly... my other two torpedoes meant for the other Large Cargo miss... shat!

What is this? One crippled ore carrier.... have tube 5 with my compliments. Boom!

27,000 tons of convoy shipping gone! So if you are going to attack things in shallow water... not to boast, but you need a few things.

1) Experience - even with mine, I still got caught, yes conditions were perfect to be detected, but even so... I got caught.

2) A mean streak a mile wide, no time for caution its dangerous enough as is, if you are going to go down, take as many with you as possible.

3) Luck. No doubt about it, you do need this.

4) A rough plan at the very least of how you intend to escape if push comes to shove.

5) I deally if possible a spare torpedo, because that thing hunting you may just well be asking for it!

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Penelope_Grey

2) A mean streak a mile wide

you? the vanilla loving sweet heart of subsim? No!

I find it hard to believe

:rotfl:

[Penelope_Grey]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

you? the vanilla loving sweet heart of subsim? No!

I find it hard to believe

:rotfl:

Well its true... I can be a tiny bit aggressive sometimes when I play SH3

[Frank0001]

Like said above, luck is a good factor of surviving a shallow depth attack.
I raided Dunkirk a week before, and got caught doing so.
Within some 5 minutes, I had a destroyer blazing above me!

However, the silly sod menaged to blow its DC-rack off, with one of its own depth-charges! He wasn't speeding after the things were released, and due to the shallow depth, they exploded right away.
It made some 10 passes overhead, without actually dropping DC's (not being able to) and finally menaged to crash into the docks...

Somehow I got the kill for that =)

[predavolk]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

against my better judgement i ventured into some 50 meter water off the US east coast.

i got ambushed by an escort destroyer

i did survive, but for a long while this guy had me by the short hairs!

nasically, i went as deep as i could which was only about 40 -50 meters and pointed my boat east toward the deep water. i made evasive turns with every depth charge run occasionally listening for splashes by manning the hydrophone myself.

my biggest fear was not this particular destroyer, but wondering how many friends he had on the way!

eventually (i dont remember how long) but this destroyer ran out of depth charges and continued making dashes above me as if to drop his DCs but dropping nothing.

i continued to inch my way east until the echolot indicated an additional 40 or 50 meters below me. I went deeper right above the sea floor and the destroyer lost contact as my batteries were drained to about 20% from the die hard engagement.

we had taken a beating which resulted in only light damage.

surviving in the shallows comes down to patience, luck and religion... be patient, dont zig when you should zag, and pray for a break or some deep water

Good post, and it mirrors my thoughts and experiences. First, pray for a heavy sea state. That makes all the difference. Second, generally try to head towards deeper water. Keep a constant direction. Remember that the AI works from a point of contact. Get away from it! Third, use your periscope (if detected) to fight back or to run. In clearer water, the observation scope can be used to see the destroyer on its attack run (doesn't so well work in cloudier or deeper water with mods). Otherwise, keep patient, keep cool, and keep dodging their attacks. With luck, you'll evade them, find deeper water, wear them out, or run into heavier seas. Without luck they'll hit you, you'll run out of batteries, or they'll call in reinforcements.