Shallow water evasion
 

Wondering if its even possible?

I spent 6hrs (real time.... with TC it was more like 18hrs approx) trying to avoid a single black swan destroyer NE of Londonderry in <50m of water. I not able to get deep enough to allow maneuvering room to avoid DCs and much slower and less maneuverable than the DD I kept slipping by by the skin of my teeth until he got lined up just over me and I was sinking (they have two throwers on either side and i couldn't seem to slip by them that easily)... I managed to carry this on 3 times for hours but I could never lose the DD and in the end I died. I've since given up on attacking the convoy that DD was attached to as I just couldn't escape.

Is this sort of evasion even possible without huge amounts of luck? I can imagine this same issue would carry over to harbor raiding, as I've not seen one yet (I've only been in 3 including Wilhelmshaven) that is really deep enough for successful DD evasion. So is there a trick to conducting this kind of escape that will make you much harder to find and more likely that the DD will break off?

I'm using GWX 2.1 btw.

Thanks,
Greg

I've tried several times evasion in shallow water, especially in the channel (yes I know I should not go through it), and its always ended in the same way - been depth charged into next week:damn:

Simple, stay out of the fecking shallow water unless you want to kiss your ass good bye. :rotfl:

GWX2.1 and 50m of water http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ys/4_6_100.gif

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A tip for real: Stay out of shallow water.....deep water and maneuverability are your best chances of evading destruction http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...s/thumbsup.gif

SINK EM ALL!!.....BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!! http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...ies/pirate.gif

Hehe, well, this morning I reassessed that situation and moved the same attack W of Belfast and it was a much better situation. Even with that in mind, you can't stay out of shallow water if you want to harbor raid... so perhaps there is a tactic that works for some people? Anyone care to share how you escape destruction when your leaving the harbor after an attack?

On a somewhat related topic, I'm curious if enemies are able to use hydrophones to detect surfaced boats? I was able to sneak up on a convoy yesterday decks awash with a green detection meter and the lead DD none the wiser, but on diving to periscope depth the meter went instantly red and the DD made a hard about to come look for me... I was in the north atlantic in this case and was able to simply dive to 210m and sneak away, but I'm curious if DD's can listen while you're technically surfaced?

Thanks,
Greg

The noise meter is not a definitive science but more an indicator that you are making noise and may be heard http://www.psionguild.org/forums/ima...ies/pirate.gif

This is something I've come to understand, but in the scenario I just described, I was essentially surfaced with the bridge watch on duty, yet was undetected by the DD until after I submerged, all other factors remained the same in that I did not change engine settings, or go silent running. The fact is that I was probably making more noise on the surface than submerged due to the diesle engines, so why did the DD not detect me sound wise until I went down?

Also, I want to point out that the meter really shows you how likely you are to be detected by enemies. It will stay green if you are surfaced next to a neutral, and go red if you are within an enemie's visual range (though they won't necessarily detect you), even at a dead stop with silent running in force. At least that has been my observation.

Greg

His hydrophones are meant/designed to hear underwater sounds...radar is intended for surfaced vessels maybe :hmm:

in my Type II i was able to evade several DD's in 60m of water. Its not even so much that they have trouble dectecting u but there DC's miss alot because u are so small.

Anyways anything bigger then a type II in shallow waters and its not a good idea. :arrgh!:

against my better judgement i ventured into some 50 meter water off the US east coast.

i got ambushed by an escort destroyer :nope:

i did survive, but for a long while this guy had me by the short hairs!

nasically, i went as deep as i could which was only about 40 -50 meters and pointed my boat east toward the deep water. i made evasive turns with every depth charge run occasionally listening for splashes by manning the hydrophone myself.

my biggest fear was not this particular destroyer, but wondering how many friends he had on the way!

eventually (i dont remember how long) but this destroyer ran out of depth charges and continued making dashes above me as if to drop his DCs but dropping nothing.

i continued to inch my way east until the echolot indicated an additional 40 or 50 meters below me. I went deeper right above the sea floor and the destroyer lost contact as my batteries were drained to about 20% from the die hard engagement.

we had taken a beating which resulted in only light damage.

surviving in the shallows comes down to patience, luck and religion... be patient, dont zig when you should zag, and pray for a break or some deep water

Well lol... against my better judgement.... I chased a convoy into shallow waters... with a sea state of 0 m/s sun shining full pelt got caught, depthcharged... start wondering if I should break off? NO!! By this point, anger is clouding my judgement...

Im chasing the convoy south through the shallow water. Night time comes. Phase 1 of the attack happens on the surface, due to summer months I have about 5 hours of pitch dark, maybe less. In I go on the surface, One Large Cargo and two Ore Carriers... thanks... goodnight.

Managed to break off on the surface and reload my forward tubes. Phase 2 of the attack a submerged dawn attack. One modern tanker scrubbed off... but sadly... my other two torpedoes meant for the other Large Cargo miss... shat!

What is this? One crippled ore carrier.... have tube 5 with my compliments. Boom!

27,000 tons of convoy shipping gone! So if you are going to attack things in shallow water... not to boast, but you need a few things.

1) Experience - even with mine, I still got caught, yes conditions were perfect to be detected, but even so... I got caught.

2) A mean streak a mile wide, no time for caution its dangerous enough as is, if you are going to go down, take as many with you as possible.

3) Luck. No doubt about it, you do need this.

4) A rough plan at the very least of how you intend to escape if push comes to shove.

5) I deally if possible a spare torpedo, because that thing hunting you may just well be asking for it!

you? the vanilla loving sweet heart of subsim? No!

I find it hard to believe

:rotfl:

Well its true... I can be a tiny bit aggressive sometimes when I play SH3

Like said above, luck is a good factor of surviving a shallow depth attack.
I raided Dunkirk a week before, and got caught doing so.
Within some 5 minutes, I had a destroyer blazing above me!

However, the silly sod menaged to blow its DC-rack off, with one of its own depth-charges! He wasn't speeding after the things were released, and due to the shallow depth, they exploded right away.
It made some 10 passes overhead, without actually dropping DC's (not being able to) and finally menaged to crash into the docks...

Somehow I got the kill for that =)

Thats what pilots call a "maneuver kill". :rotfl: