[WIP] Air Layer

LukeFF · 02-13-08, 07:41 PM

Whatever you guys do, if you can, PLEASE try to get rid of the multi-engine aircraft (Mavis, Betty, Emily, Q1W) that patrol together in pairs. They simply did not patrol this way.

CaptainHaplo · 02-13-08, 08:41 PM

Thanks Tater. We were hoping for a way to limit all the various planes - regardless of range - to one specific search radius. Not sure its possible. Thanks though!

AkbarGulag · 02-13-08, 08:43 PM

So you know Tater, we decided that maximum ranges of aircraft as seen in things like Wiki-pedia are generally for an unloaded plane. It's a different story to load a plane full of bomb and charges then fly 2500km

thus, planes with weapons will have less range than planes that search.

As far as the Zero fighter is concerned, I really don't think you would ever have seen this more than several hundred Kilometres for an airfield. And the game does not require fighter escorts for bombing historic land targets. I think a range of about 300-400km is ample for those. (even though it's range was far greater)

A lot of what you mentioned is between our teeth right now.

As to cloning the planes and bases, we wil not be using any of the traditional airbases and all planes used in our alpha tests are clones.

Your right about the airfields and placement also, it's pretty much going to have to be done by hand.

And Luke, I still don't know how the game decides these things should fly in pairs, for example. Even if I give a base, say, two sqaudrons with for example 20 planes each, it will still send individual planes. But if I assisgn 2 planes to a squadron, it may patrol with them both

The only way around this would be to create a lot more airbases... We are going to have to find some balance here on what is actually able to be done and what will take far to long and be far to complicated.

tater · 02-13-08, 09:57 PM

I never could find that file (whatever cause them to fly in 1 or 2s).

The only way I thought of was to only use "airstrike" planes (airfields and airgroups) that might be seen in pairs (the japanese flew in 3s, actually, not pairs).

So you'd only put planes with the ranges dropped a lot on the air bases. The maritime patrol planes could be added by hand.

One thing to remember as well is follow up attacks. Those could be in pairs.

So you make the H6Ks, H8Ks, and G4Ms fly search pattern waypoints. You then have airbases with those planes in them, and even long ranges---but you set the airstrike probability to near zero.

Then you set the % modifier based on being already detected to very high.

Now your waypoint flying planes do the detection, and the airgroups can followup.

tater

tater · 02-13-08, 09:57 PM

Yeah, I know, my PM box is full. It's just that all the stuff in there is USEFUL, lol.

AkbarGulag · 02-14-08, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tater

Yeah, I know, my PM box is full. It's just that all the stuff in there is USEFUL, lol.

Tell me about it... up to about 80 messages... but what to delete!

I think I get what your saying... thats what testing is for ^^

To start with we just used the H6K's to run searches. I also wanted to reduce the use of betty's by the time the americans roll up to guam etc.

Does anyone know how prolific float bases were during WWII?

Also, thanks for the starter notes you gave us Tater, some of the small slivers of information we got from you formed the backbone of this MOD

Goes to prove, it's not the volume of information that counts, its the accuracy of that information. Tater = GOLD

DavyJonesFootlocker · 02-14-08, 07:59 AM

Check here for some specs and ranges of Japanese planes.

http://www.aircraftaces.com/ww2-aircraft-japan.htm

tater · 02-24-08, 01:21 AM

I couldn't find the link, but if you want I can upload my aircraft DC mod. It makes 2 DCs, one set to 25m depth, another to 45m (which were the RL settings). Planes with DCs then take them in pairs. If they have 2 DCs, they carry 1 25m, 1 45m, etc.

Digital_Trucker · 02-14-08, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by AkbarGulag

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

Yeah, I know, my PM box is full. It's just that all the stuff in there is USEFUL, lol.

Tell me about it... up to about 80 messages... but what to delete!

Why delete any of them? If you want to keep them, just check the box next to the one to keep, select the type of file on your computer that you want to store it in (in the selection box where you select delete) and click "go". Then you don't even have to be on the site to look through them.

AkbarGulag · 02-14-08, 08:58 AM

Thanks for the resource Davy. And thanks for the tip Trucker ^^

Air MOD update. We have nailed something that has held us up for a lot of time. Moving now onto another aspect of the MOD.

ReallyDedPoet · 02-14-08, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Why delete any of them? If you want to keep them, just check the box next to the one to keep, select the type of file on your computer that you want to store it in (in the selection box where you select delete) and click "go". Then you don't even have to be on the site to look through them.

Nice tip DT

RDP

02-13-08, 07:41 PM	#1
LukeFF Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Riverside, California Posts: 3,610 Downloads: 41 Uploads: 5	Whatever you guys do, if you can, PLEASE try to get rid of the multi-engine aircraft (Mavis, Betty, Emily, Q1W) that patrol together in pairs. They simply did not patrol this way. __________________ ROW Sound Effects Contributor RFB Team Leader

02-13-08, 08:41 PM	#2
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Thanks Tater. We were hoping for a way to limit all the various planes - regardless of range - to one specific search radius. Not sure its possible. Thanks though! __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

02-13-08, 08:43 PM	#3
AkbarGulag Samurai Navy Join Date: May 2007 Location: cfgdatsimZOMGddstgasns Posts: 571 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 1	So you know Tater, we decided that maximum ranges of aircraft as seen in things like Wiki-pedia are generally for an unloaded plane. It's a different story to load a plane full of bomb and charges then fly 2500km thus, planes with weapons will have less range than planes that search. As far as the Zero fighter is concerned, I really don't think you would ever have seen this more than several hundred Kilometres for an airfield. And the game does not require fighter escorts for bombing historic land targets. I think a range of about 300-400km is ample for those. (even though it's range was far greater) A lot of what you mentioned is between our teeth right now. As to cloning the planes and bases, we wil not be using any of the traditional airbases and all planes used in our alpha tests are clones. Your right about the airfields and placement also, it's pretty much going to have to be done by hand. And Luke, I still don't know how the game decides these things should fly in pairs, for example. Even if I give a base, say, two sqaudrons with for example 20 planes each, it will still send individual planes. But if I assisgn 2 planes to a squadron, it may patrol with them both The only way around this would be to create a lot more airbases... We are going to have to find some balance here on what is actually able to be done and what will take far to long and be far to complicated. __________________ "6 days into his patrol, the first enemy ship was spotted... a trawler... ...It was at this point, Captain AkbarGulag realised how green his crew was..."

02-14-08, 07:59 AM	#7
DavyJonesFootlocker The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Stink Drunk in Trinidad Posts: 1,572 Downloads: 138 Uploads: 0	Check here for some specs and ranges of Japanese planes. http://www.aircraftaces.com/ww2-aircraft-japan.htm __________________ "Silence means death. Stand on your feet. Inner fear your worst enemy."- Sepultura. My Silent Hunter 5 mantra is this......"Torpedo missed, sir!" A P-400 is a P-40 with a Zero after it. A proud member of the Wikipedia Haters Club

02-14-08, 08:58 AM	#10
AkbarGulag Samurai Navy Join Date: May 2007 Location: cfgdatsimZOMGddstgasns Posts: 571 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 1	Thanks for the resource Davy. And thanks for the tip Trucker ^^ Air MOD update. We have nailed something that has held us up for a lot of time. Moving now onto another aspect of the MOD. __________________ "6 days into his patrol, the first enemy ship was spotted... a trawler... ...It was at this point, Captain AkbarGulag realised how green his crew was..."

02-13-08, 09:57 PM	#4
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I never could find that file (whatever cause them to fly in 1 or 2s). The only way I thought of was to only use "airstrike" planes (airfields and airgroups) that might be seen in pairs (the japanese flew in 3s, actually, not pairs). So you'd only put planes with the ranges dropped a lot on the air bases. The maritime patrol planes could be added by hand. One thing to remember as well is follow up attacks. Those could be in pairs. So you make the H6Ks, H8Ks, and G4Ms fly search pattern waypoints. You then have airbases with those planes in them, and even long ranges---but you set the airstrike probability to near zero. Then you set the % modifier based on being already detected to very high. Now your waypoint flying planes do the detection, and the airgroups can followup. tater

02-24-08, 01:21 AM	#8
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I couldn't find the link, but if you want I can upload my aircraft DC mod. It makes 2 DCs, one set to 25m depth, another to 45m (which were the RL settings). Planes with DCs then take them in pairs. If they have 2 DCs, they carry 1 25m, 1 45m, etc.