[WIP] Psuedo Narwhal class Fleet boat

Hitman · 11-20-07, 03:31 PM

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I love it when a plan is coming together.

Looking very good

The main difference that gave the Narwhal away was, aside from the bigger size (Really huge), the deck gun platforms. So yes, I think the Sargo looks overall more appropiate, but then again the torpedo tube layout is not correct. Given that I play without external views normally, I think I personally would prefer the Porpoise as base, but that's only my opinion :hmm:

Ducimus · 11-20-07, 03:43 PM

Heres some more screenshots. I was going to make this a poll, instead, ill just ask readers to post either Porpoise, or Sargo.

(Please view the pictures in this url before posting a response
http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08167b.htm )

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PORPOISE AS A MODEL:
Pros:
- conning tower shears more accurate
- seems about a foot or two wider
- torpedo layout historically correct for narwhal

Cons:
- A couple feet shorter in length then Sargo
- No ammunition stores modeled in late war tower
- No netguard

Porpoise early war with duel guns:

Porpoise Late war with duel guns:

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SARGO AS MODEL:
Pros:
- A couple feet longer in length
- aft main deck features make it look a bit more distinctive
- external shell storage modled on late war tower
- has netguard, which the Narwhal also had

Cons:
- Torpedo tube layout, historically incorrect (2 extra aft tubes that need to go bye bye)
- Periscope shears, i think are a bit taller then the narwhales

Early war Sargo with duel guns:

Late war Sargo with duel guns:

Lastley, a two close ups of both side by side.

Sargo in foreground:

Porpoise in foreground

Again, a top down view:

Porpoise on top, sargo on bottom:

Sargo on top, Porpoise on bottom:

Post which one you'd prefer. Porpoise or Sargo

Peto · 11-20-07, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitman

The main difference that gave the Narwhal away was, aside from the bigger size (Really huge), the deck gun platforms. So yes, I think the Sargo looks overall more appropiate, but then again the torpedo tube layout is not correct. Given that I play without external views normally, I think I personally would prefer the Porpoise as base, but that's only my opinion :hmm:

I'll 2nd this opinion since I also disable external view. I also like the "bulkier" appearance. Makes it easier setting up the tubes too. Now--can you stretch it about a hundred feet

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Ducimus · 11-20-07, 05:07 PM

Porpoise 2
Sargo 0

Vote dammit. I need other peoples opinions here. I want to have enough to be able to arrive at a decsion, so that when i get home from work, i can hit the the box running, and slam this puppy up with a D/L link tonight.

Torps · 11-20-07, 05:11 PM

Sargo

Awesome you started working on this.

DeerHunter UK · 11-20-07, 05:19 PM

I vote for the Porpoise, it just looks bigger than the Sargo IMHO.

Archie · 11-20-07, 05:23 PM

Porpoise, porpoise, porpoise, there you go Duci, three more votes

Digital_Trucker · 11-20-07, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Porpoise 2
Sargo 0

Vote dammit.

Porpoise, dammit!:rotfl:

leovampire · 11-20-07, 06:42 PM

And can do 9 knt's submerged. How is that for an answer?!

I love my Sargo but those are the only 2 laking thing's I wish it had.

Ducimus · 11-20-07, 06:55 PM

Porpoise 5
Sargo 1

I can't make up my mind personally - hence my asking in poll fashion. Overall i think i like the Sargo more, but then, ive ALWAYS liked that model. If i could get rid of the tubes 7 and 8, id use it. But... porpoise seems a tad fatter, and its almost the same length as the sargo.

WilhelmSchulz. · 11-20-07, 07:11 PM

I have to say Sargo. I know ill lose but I would give it 1 more week then switch to P-Class.

DeepSix · 11-20-07, 07:38 PM

I don't know how much of this you already know (probably all of it). Porpoise is slightly farther back on the evolutionary chain than Sargo. The second batch of V-class boats (Argonaut, Narwhal and Nautilus) was produced in the late 1920s and led directly to the experiment with Dolphin; that, in turn, led to Cachalot and Cuttlefish, they led to the P-class around 1933, and soon after that the Salmon class was introduced (which included Sargo).

Argonaut was purpose-built as a minelayer; neither Narwhal nor Nautilus was ever able to maintain their 17-knot specified surfaced speed, and submerged they could just barely top 6.

Argonaut, Narwhal and Nautilus - 370-380 feet long, displ. 2,700 tons. 180,000 gallons.
P-class (Porpoise) - 300 feet/1,300 tons. 90,000 gal.
Salmon (Sargo) - 308 feet/1,450 tons. 110,000 gal.

So one's a little longer, one's a little heavier. One could make a case for Sargo since it's got slightly more range and the V-boats had lots o' that. On the other hand, I'm not sure which one dived faster or turned tighter. Bottom line, I don't really think it matters which one you use since it's a stand-in. I'll vote Sargo, but really I'm just looking forward to having a V-boat mod!

[Edit: Just saw your last post. If Sargo is that much done, I'd just stick with that (sorry to the Porpoise voters)]

11-20-07, 05:11 PM	#5
Torps Captain Join Date: May 2007 Location: Phoenix Posts: 496 Downloads: 148 Uploads: 0	Sargo Awesome you started working on this. __________________ Torps Contributor PE for ROW Reflections on Water *ROW Sound Effects* R.I.P Dave Bunnel aka LeoVampire

11-20-07, 05:23 PM	#7
Archie Medic Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The South Pacific, No, Really.... The South Pacific Posts: 165 Downloads: 73 Uploads: 0	Porpoise, porpoise, porpoise, there you go Duci, three more votes __________________ __________________ "I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: 'I served in the United States Navy.'" President John F. Kennedy,

11-20-07, 06:42 PM	#9
leovampire Eternal Patrol Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Waterbury, CT. USA Posts: 2,336 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	which ever one has 6 forward tube's And can do 9 knt's submerged. How is that for an answer?! I love my Sargo but those are the only 2 laking thing's I wish it had. __________________ AIR_BASE_NAV_MAP_MOD Reflections_on_the_Water

11-20-07, 07:11 PM	#11
WilhelmSchulz. The Old Man Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Virgina Beach Posts: 1,301 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	I have to say Sargo. I know ill lose but I would give it 1 more week then switch to P-Class. __________________ "Some ships are designed to sink… others require our assistance."

11-20-07, 07:38 PM	#12
DeepSix Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Music City Posts: 683 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I don't know how much of this you already know (probably all of it). Porpoise is slightly farther back on the evolutionary chain than Sargo. The second batch of V-class boats (Argonaut, Narwhal and Nautilus) was produced in the late 1920s and led directly to the experiment with Dolphin; that, in turn, led to Cachalot and Cuttlefish, they led to the P-class around 1933, and soon after that the Salmon class was introduced (which included Sargo). Argonaut was purpose-built as a minelayer; neither Narwhal nor Nautilus was ever able to maintain their 17-knot specified surfaced speed, and submerged they could just barely top 6. Argonaut, Narwhal and Nautilus - 370-380 feet long, displ. 2,700 tons. 180,000 gallons. P-class (Porpoise) - 300 feet/1,300 tons. 90,000 gal. Salmon (Sargo) - 308 feet/1,450 tons. 110,000 gal. So one's a little longer, one's a little heavier. One could make a case for Sargo since it's got slightly more range and the V-boats had lots o' that. On the other hand, I'm not sure which one dived faster or turned tighter. Bottom line, I don't really think it matters which one you use since it's a stand-in. I'll vote Sargo, but really I'm just looking forward to having a V-boat mod! [Edit: Just saw your last post. If Sargo is that much done, I'd just stick with that (sorry to the Porpoise voters)] __________________ Jack's happy days will soon be gone, To return again, oh never! For they've raised his pay five cents a day, But they've stopped his grog forever. For tonight we'll merry, merry be, For tonight we'll merry, merry be, For tonight we'll merry, merry be, But tomorrow we'll be sober. - "Farewell to Grog"

11-20-07, 03:43 PM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Heres some more screenshots. I was going to make this a poll, instead, ill just ask readers to post either Porpoise, or Sargo. (Please view the pictures in this url before posting a response http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08167b.htm ) ----------------------------------------- PORPOISE AS A MODEL: Pros: - conning tower shears more accurate - seems about a foot or two wider - torpedo layout historically correct for narwhal Cons: - A couple feet shorter in length then Sargo - No ammunition stores modeled in late war tower - No netguard Porpoise early war with duel guns: Porpoise Late war with duel guns: ----------------------------------- SARGO AS MODEL: Pros: - A couple feet longer in length - aft main deck features make it look a bit more distinctive - external shell storage modled on late war tower - has netguard, which the Narwhal also had Cons: - Torpedo tube layout, historically incorrect (2 extra aft tubes that need to go bye bye) - Periscope shears, i think are a bit taller then the narwhales Early war Sargo with duel guns: Late war Sargo with duel guns: Lastley, a two close ups of both side by side. Sargo in foreground: Porpoise in foreground Again, a top down view: Porpoise on top, sargo on bottom: Sargo on top, Porpoise on bottom: Post which one you'd prefer. Porpoise or Sargo

11-20-07, 05:07 PM	#4
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Porpoise 2 Sargo 0 Vote dammit. I need other peoples opinions here. I want to have enough to be able to arrive at a decsion, so that when i get home from work, i can hit the the box running, and slam this puppy up with a D/L link tonight.

11-20-07, 05:19 PM	#6
DeerHunter UK Machinist's Mate Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 124 Downloads: 56 Uploads: 0	I vote for the Porpoise, it just looks bigger than the Sargo IMHO.

11-20-07, 06:55 PM	#10
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Porpoise 5 Sargo 1 I can't make up my mind personally - hence my asking in poll fashion. Overall i think i like the Sargo more, but then, ive ALWAYS liked that model. If i could get rid of the tubes 7 and 8, id use it. But... porpoise seems a tad fatter, and its almost the same length as the sargo.