Having fury with shells

[dcb]

OMG, why don't people carefully read the forums here? I explained this error in at least two instances here, as I encountered it in my case.
Explanation in brief: the game won't work with ATI video cards generation 16xx. More details here, post #3

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=102034

[Chock]

The only trouble with that explanation is that it doesn't tally with my experience of the game actually running ona laptop that doesn't support shader 2.0. It could be the cause (and likely is) on Pugwash's computer of course, but clearly some computers can run it without shader 2.0, because I have one that most definitely does.

Chock

[dcb]

Originally Posted by Chock

The only trouble with that explanation is that it doesn't tally with my experience of the game actually running ona laptop that doesn't support shader 2.0. It could be the cause (and likely is) on Pugwash's computer of course, but clearly some computers can run it without shader 2.0, because I have one that most definitely does.

Chock

My personal experience: In my computer, for some time, I had an ATI card - ASUS 1600 XT (IIRC) - and the game crashed at the loading bar. When I replaced ONLY the video card with my current ASUS 7900 GS (Nvidia) suddenly the game started to work. I met (here on Subsim forums) at least three people with ATI 16xx cards having the same problem I had. And, last but not least, the marinesims.de forum is full of people having the same problem and the explanation was taken from that precise forum.
So, until someone can confirm that he actually runs the game with an ATI 16xx card, I will remain convinced that this is the culprit. Everything indicates so. Maybe someone here can make a sticky based on this explanation, so that new players know what their problem is.
dcb

[Deamon]

Originally Posted by Chock

The only trouble with that explanation is that it doesn't tally with my experience of the game actually running ona laptop that doesn't support shader 2.0.

What does it support officially and who is the manufacturer ?

[Maat]

http://www.guru3d.com/article/atitraytools/189/

You can tweak your ati card. Overclocking and a huge more options

It's a strong tool:p

[Chock]

What does it support officially and who is the manufacturer ?

Right this is where it gets confusing, the computer I'm talking about is my Hewlett Packard DV2000 laptop, which has an Intel GMA 950 for graphics. Now, if you look up the specs for this, it claims to support Pixel Shader 2.0, however, I've had plenty of stuff fail to run on it because it reports that it does not support Shader 2.0. Silent Hunter 4 and Armed Assault being two examples of this. However, despite that, it does run DSzZ (aka SOF), so one has to assume that it is running it despite the thing not supporting Shader 2.0 (even though the spec sheet claims that it does, and I don't care what the spec sheet claims - when it won't fire up SH4 or ARMA and says that's because the graphics don't support shader 2.0 in a little pop up box, then that's what I'm going to go off, not the spec sheet).

The laptop in question: http://reviews.digitaltrends.com/rev...main18358.html

The graphics in it: http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/gma950/index.htm

Chock

[Deamon]

Originally Posted by Chock

Right this is where it gets confusing, the computer I'm talking about is my Hewlett Packard DV2000 laptop, which has an Intel GMA 950 for graphics. Now, if you look up the specs for this, it claims to support Pixel Shader 2.0, however, I've had plenty of stuff fail to run on it because it reports that it does not support Shader 2.0. Silent Hunter 4 and Armed Assault being two examples of this. However, despite that, it does run DSzZ (aka SOF), so one has to assume that it is running it despite the thing not supporting Shader 2.0 (even though the spec sheet claims that it does, and I don't care what the spec sheet claims - when it won't fire up SH4 or ARMA and says that's because the graphics don't support shader 2.0 in a little pop up box, then that's what I'm going to go off, not the spec sheet).

Well, what can also be is simple that your hardware actually support shader 2.0 but only to a certain degree. Enough for SOF but not enough for ArmA and SH4. I think the same was with the ATI 1x00 serie. If I understood it right they supported shader 2.0 but certain things were broken and were never fixed in this serie. Therefore do not qualify to clime that it supports shader 2.0. Same could be true with the chip you have on your laptop.

The laptop in question: http://reviews.digitaltrends.com/rev...main18358.html

The graphics in it: http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/gma950/index.htm

Ahh, intel chips! That says it all

Maybe not the prime choice for games.

[pugwash1]

YAAAAHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!
Thanks one and all. especialy DCB for pointing out that I should spend more of my time on the boards reading ALL the posts, If I had I would have seen his fix!! and also to MAAT for giving the link to the ATI trays tweek. It works a treat, now I can find out if the game realy is lame !!
I realy apreciate the effort everyone put forth. I have never used a forum before, I tend to be upto my eye balls in work most of the time so do not have tome to surf through the postings, if I did spend more time at it I would have saved everyone some time by finding the answer myself. Again thanks for the help.When I first started this computer stuff the equipment did not even have hard drives and cost as much as a small car!
I hope you all have a great thanksgiving. and thanks again.... I now sail forth under the waves to sink some unexpecting Brits..... wait a min, I am British...Oh what the heck I will sink em anyway, I am a pirate after all.