"Die Schalen Des Zorns"

[JHS]

Sorry to bother you about this item. I was able to get it from Amazon Germany by sending it to a friend in the UK. I tried to play it but right after the title I received an error message followed by a CTD. My high school German (36 years ago) is rather inadequate for the German forums on this game. Would anybody happen to know what is causing this? I saw it had happened to another person in an English language forum on the game, but no solution was posted. Thank you very much!

[Deamon]

Originally Posted by JHS

Sorry to bother you about this item. I was able to get it from Amazon Germany by sending it to a friend in the UK. I tried to play it but right after the title I received an error message followed by a CTD. My high school German (36 years ago) is rather inadequate for the German forums on this game. Would anybody happen to know what is causing this? I saw it had happened to another person in an English language forum on the game, but no solution was posted. Thank you very much!

You are propable on the wrong forum LOL

But anyway post your specs first please.

[dcb]

@Deamon

Sorry, I don't want to hijack your forum speaking about the competition, but I think I can answer JHS. If you think it appropriate, maybe you could ask the moderator to move this to the "other subsims" forum

Originally Posted by JHS

I tried to play it but right after the title I received an error message followed by a CTD. My high school German (36 years ago) is rather inadequate for the German forums on this game.

@JHS
The problem with 1914 DSdZ is that it implements too strictly the shader model 2.0 standard. Until recently, I had a Radeon 1600 card (x1000 series) known to use a workaround the SM standard. And, of course, I was unable to open the game. It gave me only CTDs when I tried to load it. In brief, ati cards report they have SM2.0, but they do not. On the marinesims.de forum there are many people complaining about the same error, and the explanation was found here:
http://www.stevestreeting.com/index....chbutton=Go%21

My guess is your video card is not SM2.0/3.0 compliant.
Now I switched to an nvidia card and I can play the game on the same computer - just the card is different, nvidia instead of ati.
Hope this helps you.

Anyway, the game is lame, if you want my opinion. Even SH2 is better.

[Deamon]

Originally Posted by dcb

@Deamon

Sorry, I don't want to hijack your forum speaking about the competition, but I think I can answer JHS. If you think it appropriate, maybe you could ask the moderator to move this to the "other subsims" forum

No, i don't mind mate. Thanks for the answer

[JHS]

No intention to hijack this site! And, I am glad I bought the game because it brought me here---otherwise, I might have missed the discovery of this magnificent and ambitious sim! WWI German submarine operations fascinate me---I am awaiting Deamon's design with keen anticipation! Thank you, dcb---what you wrote is, alas, the case! I'm scuppered, deep-sixed, and kaput!

[Deamon]

Originally Posted by JHS

No intention to hijack this site! And, I am glad I bought the game because it brought me here---otherwise, I might have missed the discovery of this magnificent and ambitious sim! WWI German submarine operations fascinate me---I am awaiting Deamon's design with keen anticipation! Thank you, dcb---what you wrote is, alas, the case! I'm scuppered, deep-sixed, and kaput!

You are welcome mate

[JHS]

I await your design with great anticipation!

[Deamon]

@JHS:

Hi,

tell me how do you come to your interest for WWI submarines ?

Are you at all from germany ?

And what concerns Shells of Fury. It have historicaly very correct missions. But i find this is the only realy good and addictive thing about it. Other wise it's a low budget game, with a quality standart below SHII. But some others find it not bad. So you better judge for your self.

[JHS]

Sorry my reply is so late---holidays! I am from and still live in the United States. I am 54 years old. My interest in WWI German submarines goes back to my childhood when I looked at the WWI-era picture books, and the ILLUSTRATED LONDON NEWS in the libraries. Weddigen's sinking of ABOUKIR, CRESSY, and HOGUE in the tiny U-9 really captured my attention. I did some of my graduate work in college in the WWI British Royal Navy. My father was a submariner on the USS CHARR and USS BOARFISH during WWII---I had submarines in my blood you could say! I have been fascinated by the operations, tactics, and submarines of the WWI German navy. They and the navy's zeppelins were the most advanced weapons of the naval war. I have dreamed about a detailed WWI German submarine simulator for years. SILENT HUNTER III was interesting, but I am really more interested in WWI (and, for obvious reasons, in the WWII U.S. Navy fleet boats). When I saw SHELLS OF FURY, I was very excited---unfortunately, due to my Radeon graphics card, I was unable to play it, and had to pass it on to a former sailor! No loss. I am happy to have discovered your design through this website. Your design promises to be the comprehensive simulator of which I dreamed. Can't wait to be able to try my luck in DEUTSCHLAND off the U.S. coast! If there is anything at all I can do to help further your work, please let me know!

[Deamon]

Originally Posted by JHS

My interest in WWI German submarines goes back to my childhood when I looked at the WWI-era picture books, and the ILLUSTRATED LONDON NEWS in the libraries. Weddigen's sinking of ABOUKIR, CRESSY, and HOGUE in the tiny U-9 really captured my attention.

This three cruisers had a bad day hadn't they ?

They not only came across a german submarine but accross the way of Otto Weddingen who was the aces of aces of the german u-boat weapon. They couldn't have picked a better one than him

I did some of my graduate work in college in the WWI British Royal Navy.

There aren't that many publications about german WWI submarines in english aren't there ?

My father was a submariner on the USS CHARR and USS BOARFISH during WWII---

Oh realy !? Great

I had submarines in my blood you could say! I have been fascinated by the operations, tactics, and submarines of the WWI German navy.

I got rather by accident into submarines and through some mysterious circumstances got dragged into german WWI submarines. I had absolutely no clue about WWI submarines as i have started with this project but as i started the research i got deeply fascinated and hungry for more. It puts an unexplainable mysterious attraction on me. It appears so familiar to me. Not like something new but rather like something i remember that i have forgotten a long time ago. Do you maybe feel the same ?

I have dreamed about a detailed WWI German submarine simulator for years. SILENT HUNTER III was interesting, but I am really more interested in WWI (and, for obvious reasons, in the WWII U.S. Navy fleet boats). When I saw SHELLS OF FURY, I was very excited---unfortunately, due to my Radeon graphics card, I was unable to play it, and had to pass it on to a former sailor! No loss. I am happy to have discovered your design through this website. Your design promises to be the comprehensive simulator of which I dreamed.

Wow

I hear this not the first time

Yes SHIII is pretty nice but it's still not what i would expect from a real submarine simulator.

Can't wait to be able to try my luck in DEUTSCHLAND off the U.S. coast!

DEUTSCHLAND or U139

But man it will take a while!

You have a german heart beating in your chest eh ?

If there is anything at all I can do to help further your work, please let me know!

:hmm:

Have you any developement skills ?

[JHS]

Unfortunately, I am a computer idiot. I am 1/4 German, 1/4 English, and half Swedish---since where I come from German-Americans and Swedish-Americans used to be at odds with each other---my 1/4 German-ness used to annoy my all Swedish-American mother! Well, if I had to command a big cruiser submarine, I should prefer the magnificent U-139 to the tubby DEUTSCHLAND/U-155 but the exploits of the latter's captain off the American coast I found to be fascinating (and harrowing). Yes, books in English about the WWI German submarines are few, but I read all of them, and the one which really excited me was RAIDERS OF THE DEEP by Lowell Thomas which was based on interviews with the German submarine skippers in the 1920s:

http://www.amazon.com/Raiders-Blueja.../dp/1591148618

[horsa]

I'd like to add a few notes to this thread about the three unhappy British cruisers. Case for the defence so to speak.

I believe thet were an accident waiting to happen. They were obsolete and manned by poor inexperienced crews. There had been pressure on the Admiralty to remove them from service because of their vulnerability. It was also at a time when the British Admiralty did not have a clear idea of how effective the submarine weapon was going to be in a real war situation ( often refered to as "Fischer's play things"). They had no idea how to react when the first cruiser was hit and made the cardinal error of returning to assist the stricken ship, thus lining themselves up to be attacked. Weddingen must have thought it was Christmas. The cruisers were indeed "having a bad day". The upshot was a splendid propoganda victory for the Germans and a wake up call for the British Admiralty.

[Deamon]

Originally Posted by JHS

Unfortunately, I am a computer idiot.

Would you like to become a tester ? :hmm:

I could need a couple more.

I am 1/4 German, 1/4 English, and half Swedish---since where I come from German-Americans and Swedish-Americans used to be at odds with each other---my 1/4 German-ness used to annoy my all Swedish-American mother!

Ok then i wasn't that wrong with the german heart

Have your interest in german WWI submarines maybe to do something with it ?

Well, if I had to command a big cruiser submarine, I should prefer the magnificent U-139 to the tubby DEUTSCHLAND/U-155 but the exploits of the latter's captain off the American coast I found to be fascinating (and harrowing).

Have you maybe red Kpt Konigs report on his voyage to USA in the Deutschaland ?

Yes, books in English about the WWI German submarines are few, but I read all of them

Which do you know besides riders of the deep ?

and the one which really excited me was RAIDERS OF THE DEEP by Lowell Thomas which was based on interviews with the German submarine skippers in the 1920s:

http://www.amazon.com/Raiders-Blueja.../dp/1591148618

Ok that's the book i always recommend to english readers. German readers have of course a load more accessebly. I have approx 30 titles. I'm a happy man.

I guess raiders of the deep greatly fueld your interest eh ?

[Deamon]

Originally Posted by horsa

I believe thet were an accident waiting to happen. They were obsolete and manned by poor inexperienced crews.

Perfect victims

There had been pressure on the Admiralty to remove them from service because of their vulnerability.

Otto was faster

Luck for the admirality that this were old cruisers.

It was also at a time when the British Admiralty did not have a clear idea of how effective the submarine weapon was going to be in a real war situation ( often refered to as "Fischer's play things").

Similar to the german admirality. Altuough Scheer demanded from the beginning that they all should be build high sea capeable.

They had no idea how to react when the first cruiser was hit and made the cardinal error of returning to assist the stricken ship, thus lining themselves up to be attacked.

Haven't they thought on the first stroke that the cruiser ren on a mine ?

Weddingen must have thought it was Christmas. The cruisers were indeed "having a bad day".

Otto Wddingen was the torpedo referee of the u-bot fleet. He was the top expert in torpedo attacks. On one occassion during a fleet manouver he shot a fan shot of four torpedos and "sunk" three battleships at once. And that were angle shots

My hat is off to Otto Weddingen. Angle shots weren't that favoured at that time. I'm just woundering how he managed to keep the depth.

The upshot was a splendid propoganda victory for the Germans and a wake up call for the British Admiralty.

It was a wake up call for the german admirality too!

Deamon

[JHS]

I would consider being a playtester an honor and a privilege, Deamon! This would give me an opportunity to learn much more about WWI German submarine tactics and technology. Other than the Thomas book, I read one published by the U.S. Naval Institute about the DEUTSCHLAND class and their history as merchant submarines and cruiser submarines. Much of the rest came from articles and chapters in books.

Admiral Fisher thought the submarine would be the most devastating weapon of any future war when he was First Sea Lord several years before the war. Not only did he predict unrestricted submarine warfare, but he encouraged it, and he even lectured on the wisdom of killing survivors without mercy as a means to paralyze the foe with terror. A very good book is available on the lamentable understanding of the submarine by the highest echelons of the Royal Navy, civilian and in the service (except Fisher, of course): THE KING'S SHIPS WERE AT SEA by a serving (1984) naval officer, James Goldrick:

http://www.amazon.com/Kings-Ships-We...e=UTF8&s=books

When you read about the technology he was using, the quirky torpedoes, the vicissitudes of the U-9 itself (a rather unstable vehicle for launching torpedoes), and the small torpedo complement he had to use, the destruction of the CRESSYs was not exactly "shooting ducks in a barrel," but, rather, a genuine triumph of the infant submarine by a superb expert. Further, there was always the chance Weddigen might have been run down by one of them as he was later by DREADNOUGHT.

http://cgi.ebay.com/German-U-Boat-Co...QQcmdZViewItem