newb - does stock SH3 AI cheat?

Brag · 11-15-07, 08:52 PM

The Escort AI in SH3 and GWX is pretty good. Most of the time ASW vessels will find you due to own mistakes. Once one learns the tricks of the trade, one becomes harder to find. This interplay, which requires skill is what makes the game so fascinating.

Packerton · 11-15-07, 09:17 PM

Welcome to subsim Herr Kaluen sasquatch!!!

Are you new to Subims at all?

If you are you must always keep one thing in your mind,, your out there, alone and faceing the Navies of Several Countries at once (well in the middle stages of the war to the end at least) your baseicly the blue dot in a whole sea of red, and all that red is looking for you, whether it be Planes, Destroyer hunter kill groups or random independand sailors and convoys.

You must always take it slow, to the point of staying under the water for all the daylight hours late in the war because of Aircraft attacks, and to always remember that somewhere, at anytime, A Destroyer has you on Radar.

I recommend getting the GWX Super mod (currently version 1.3) once you learn the ropes in stock Silent hunter 3, GWX makes the world a much more liveing breathing wartime place in the game.

Not to mention AI upgrades that will allow you to increase in skill and cunning alot faster then the sleepy in comparison stock AI.

sasquatch · 11-15-07, 10:27 PM

I'm brand new to subsim and SHIII. I'm still confused about the DD's because even in 1940 (pre-radar) destroyers were ending up directly on top of me, multiple days after the last time I attacked a merchant or made a radio report. I realise that ships can get lucky, but this is too lucky...

Capa · 11-15-07, 10:55 PM

There are thousands of ships. You just don't have a very big line of sight, and even that's not infallible. Even if it's the same ship it's a lot easier for them to follow a boat on sonar than you might think. Considering the numbers of professional sailors that died in real life whilst being as careful as possible it's better to think less in game terms of "balance" and "fairness" and start fighting for survival knowing that the odds are against you and a DD knows how to hunt and kill a careless kaleun.

Peto · 11-15-07, 11:10 PM

I can say with certainty (having rewritten the campaign to my own taste) that--even in the stock game--the AI does not cheat. All ships are generated either by scrpted or random generaton which is set when you put to sea. There is nothing in my bazillion hours of campaign writing that I have found that could generate an escort because it "knew I was there".

sasquatch: You can attribute it to bad luck (luck is a factor sometimes) or it "might" be that you're picking the short path home. The enemy knows those paths as they are obvious. Picking a longer route "may" get you home more safely. Unless you're unlucky

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Don't give up though! I've had some careers that seemed very unlucky and others where I never ran into any problems. It's kind of like rolling dice--eventually you'll quit rolling snake-eyes

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Happy Hunting!

sasquatch · 11-15-07, 11:32 PM

must just be bad luck then. I almost always take the long way home and go out of my away to avoid enemy infested waters. When out of eel's I'll intentionally avoid convoy and merchant routes. O well, I haven't been sunk yet... but it sure is scarry when your crew sights a DD 650m away in thick fog...

Packerton · 11-16-07, 12:04 AM

Thats not always bad luck, you may just be running into the British Anti Submarine Patrol zones, as stated before dont take the short way home.

For example, the path south of Scapa flow is a virtual death zone for Submarines, as is the English Channel and the like.

Always go around the quick shortgun British controlled zones.

You will run into random destroyer patrols yes, but its not bad luck its just simulating how relentleslly the British patrolled around the Isles and the Channels.

They are OUT TO GET YOU.

Turm · 11-16-07, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sasquatch

must just be bad luck then. I almost always take the long way home and go out of my away to avoid enemy infested waters. When out of eel's I'll intentionally avoid convoy and merchant routes. O well, I haven't been sunk yet... but it sure is scarry when your crew sights a DD 650m away in thick fog...

A couple of weeks back when playing stock 1.4b I ran into a destroyer in heavy fog and rain, a couple of hundred miles west of Scapa. Time compression dropped out to 1x and the crew shouted out a ship. I jumped to the bridge and was absolutely horrified to see a British destroyer ahead to port, that was travelling the exact opposite direction to me! By the time I ordered a crash dive we were passing right by each other, only 100m apart.

I didn't disappear below until it was a little way behind me, but it simply didn't spot me! That was lucky

So all is not necessarily lost when a DD turns up unannounced. I've installed GWX now, and have a feeling I won't escape quite as easily if it happens again.

11-15-07, 08:52 PM	#1
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	The Escort AI in SH3 and GWX is pretty good. Most of the time ASW vessels will find you due to own mistakes. Once one learns the tricks of the trade, one becomes harder to find. This interplay, which requires skill is what makes the game so fascinating. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

11-15-07, 09:17 PM	#2
Packerton Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Newfoundland,Canada Posts: 398 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Welcome to subsim Herr Kaluen sasquatch!!! Are you new to Subims at all? If you are you must always keep one thing in your mind,, your out there, alone and faceing the Navies of Several Countries at once (well in the middle stages of the war to the end at least) your baseicly the blue dot in a whole sea of red, and all that red is looking for you, whether it be Planes, Destroyer hunter kill groups or random independand sailors and convoys. You must always take it slow, to the point of staying under the water for all the daylight hours late in the war because of Aircraft attacks, and to always remember that somewhere, at anytime, A Destroyer has you on Radar. I recommend getting the GWX Super mod (currently version 1.3) once you learn the ropes in stock Silent hunter 3, GWX makes the world a much more liveing breathing wartime place in the game. Not to mention AI upgrades that will allow you to increase in skill and cunning alot faster then the sleepy in comparison stock AI. __________________ GWX crew member. Come Hell or High water, we get it done!

11-16-07, 12:04 AM	#7
Packerton Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Newfoundland,Canada Posts: 398 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Thats not always bad luck, you may just be running into the British Anti Submarine Patrol zones, as stated before dont take the short way home. For example, the path south of Scapa flow is a virtual death zone for Submarines, as is the English Channel and the like. Always go around the quick shortgun British controlled zones. You will run into random destroyer patrols yes, but its not bad luck its just simulating how relentleslly the British patrolled around the Isles and the Channels. They are OUT TO GET YOU. __________________ GWX crew member. Come Hell or High water, we get it done!

11-15-07, 10:27 PM	#3
sasquatch Medic Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kentucky, USA Posts: 160 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'm brand new to subsim and SHIII. I'm still confused about the DD's because even in 1940 (pre-radar) destroyers were ending up directly on top of me, multiple days after the last time I attacked a merchant or made a radio report. I realise that ships can get lucky, but this is too lucky...

11-15-07, 10:55 PM	#4
Capa A-ganger Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 76 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	There are thousands of ships. You just don't have a very big line of sight, and even that's not infallible. Even if it's the same ship it's a lot easier for them to follow a boat on sonar than you might think. Considering the numbers of professional sailors that died in real life whilst being as careful as possible it's better to think less in game terms of "balance" and "fairness" and start fighting for survival knowing that the odds are against you and a DD knows how to hunt and kill a careless kaleun.

11-15-07, 11:10 PM	#5
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	I can say with certainty (having rewritten the campaign to my own taste) that--even in the stock game--the AI does not cheat. All ships are generated either by scrpted or random generaton which is set when you put to sea. There is nothing in my bazillion hours of campaign writing that I have found that could generate an escort because it "knew I was there". sasquatch: You can attribute it to bad luck (luck is a factor sometimes) or it "might" be that you're picking the short path home. The enemy knows those paths as they are obvious. Picking a longer route "may" get you home more safely. Unless you're unlucky . Don't give up though! I've had some careers that seemed very unlucky and others where I never ran into any problems. It's kind of like rolling dice--eventually you'll quit rolling snake-eyes . Happy Hunting!

11-15-07, 11:32 PM	#6
sasquatch Medic Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kentucky, USA Posts: 160 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	must just be bad luck then. I almost always take the long way home and go out of my away to avoid enemy infested waters. When out of eel's I'll intentionally avoid convoy and merchant routes. O well, I haven't been sunk yet... but it sure is scarry when your crew sights a DD 650m away in thick fog...