dubbya bush you really know how to support war vets...

Chock · 11-10-07, 07:30 PM

The chances are that the person GWB was being photographed with had been 'vetted' prior to the visit, being asked about his views and stuff like that, the President doesn't just turn up and chance meeting someone who might give him a load of verbal, so there could well be some kind of freebie going on with him or something similar of that nature. Anyone who has ever been in the military will know that's what happens whenever a big name gets shown around to 'kiss babies'.

It happens lots of other places too, for example, when I worked at a paper a few years back, Tony Blair came to the premises as part of the drive for the Commonwealth Games in Manchester, the paper I worked at being one of the big sponsors. He was kept well clear of the 'peasants' (i.e. all us workers), as he probably would have received a few choice comments, and at the time the editor was sucking up to him big time, writing lots of creeping fawning letters on the editorial page (probably after a knighthood or something). Actually, I did bump into TB on that visit, he was coming through the canteen when I went down there for a cigarette and a cup of tea, and he came breezing through (with his jacket off and sleeves rolled up, that being TB's attempt to look like one of the people), and the editor was tailing along behind him like some kind of faithful puppy, it was embarrassing to watch actually, all the editor needed to do to make himself have any less dignity would have been to wring a cap in his hands.

Trust me, those kind of visits are more rehearsed and stage-managed than a West End show.

Chock

elite_hunter_sh3 · 11-17-07, 01:05 AM

http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures...lectionId=1272

I'm amazed that Bush can actually look at these men and not wonder "What am I doing?"

most of them are too awful to look at

************************** bush.

i wonder how many more innocent people end up like this before Israel decides the U.S should pull out of iraq..
WMDs my ***...

Peto · 11-17-07, 01:25 AM

My son is currently patrolling the Iraq/Iran border with the 101st Airborne. I know what his mission is: Stay Alive and do evrything he can to make sure his buddies do to. Their world is a million miles away from politics. They're tired and just want to come home.

When I see bush (lack of capital letter intentional) posing with wounded Veterans, it disgusts me.

How can a man without honor bestow honor?

elite_hunter_sh3 · 11-17-07, 10:26 AM

hes not a man at all, hes a filthy moronic coward, only thing he deserves right now, is to be tortured to the extreme, then executed...

killed thousands of troops over some B.S that didnt exist..

STEED · 11-17-07, 10:31 AM

Bush may be king of the gaffs but he has made the effort to these wounded men unlike my former Prime Minister Tony Blair and my present one Gordon Brown who have made no effort to see are wounded men.

Dowly · 11-17-07, 11:03 AM

BUSH: "Look soldier, I got you a brand new T-shirt! Isnt it cool?"
SOLDIER: "You gotta be *******ing kidding me!?"

EDIT:

Oh wait! Elite_hunter didnt mention that it is Bush who is given the shirt by the Veteran, not Bush giving the shirt to the Veteran.

"President Bush is presented a T-shirt from Lcpl. Isaac Gallegos during a visit to the Center for the Intrepid at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, Texas, November 8, 2007."

Brag · 11-17-07, 11:12 AM

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Tchocky · 11-17-07, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

Bush may be king of the gaffs but he has made the effort to these wounded men unlike my former Prime Minister Tony Blair and my present one Gordon Brown who have made no effort to see are wounded men.

As far as I know there's a Bill on armed forces care going through the Commons during this Parliamentary session. Blair may have done shag-all, but Brown may yet.

STEED · 11-17-07, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Quote:

Originally Posted by STEED

Bush may be king of the gaffs but he has made the effort to these wounded men unlike my former Prime Minister Tony Blair and my present one Gordon Brown who have made no effort to see are wounded men.

As far as I know there's a Bill on armed forces care going through the Commons during this Parliamentary session. Blair may have done shag-all, but Brown may yet.

That's a start but I feel our PM should visit our wounded and pay his respects at the airport to those who died.

SteminDemon13 · 11-17-07, 11:49 AM

Well, I usually don't post on the politics board. To say Bush should be hung and all that is your opinion that I do not agree upon, however you have a right to it because many others and myself have fought to defend that right. After years of just sweeping foreign policy under the rug, and a false sense of "we are at peace" during the Clinton presidency and don't forget downgrading our miitary, has contributed to the problems we now face.

Did Sadam have nothing to hide? Was he so honest about what his intentions were when he kicked the weapons inspectors out in 98. Was it cool for him to just downplay the UN and violate all those UN resolutions that were failing? How can you come up with laws and the likes if no one is willing to enforce them? The United States of America decided to do something about it and believe it or not, has countries that supported it, while some choose to remain silent in their support.

Sadam had a lot to hide, i he didn't he wouldn't have sent that bogus report to show "everything" he had. The planes that were uncovered in Iraq were not on that report, nor a plethora of other things. When was the last time you heard of Bush or Clinton Killing hundeds of thousands of their own people? Sadam....well he has.

So the question boils down to, when were we going to deal with Sadam? Were we going to just sweep it under the rug again and do nothing?,write more UN resolutions so that Sadam can just blow them off and show the uselessness of those resolutions?, wait till the civilian death toll rises to Hollocaust status?, wait until he deploys chemical weapons on people that oppose him or gas other countries?, shall we have waited until he invades another country, go in and atack and then be told to go home because our job is done and watch numerous supporters of freedom get killed again?

I do not agree with every policy Bush has put forth, but our country has stood up to terrorism and is dealing with it. When during the Clinton years have you seen so many people speak out against their Government and want freedom and democracy, equal rights, and so on? It has been happening a lot because many people want the freedoms we share and have a right to them.

There are many policies I disagree with, sure the Military funding has gone up, but those dollars are being wasted. All this money that has funded the "cost plus fee way", pork barrel projects and the likes is one thing I am strongly against. How many years are we going to leave a NSFS (Naval Surface Fire Support) gap for our troops? They say, oh we are coming up with ERGM, and this and that since forever now and have either nothing to show for it or it will be 2040 until it comes around.

One effective, low cost near and mid term and even long term solution to the problem, which many have (marines, the underspoken army and many others) been asking for was to reactivate the battleships. Due to disgusting politics this has not come to fruition. If they would have reactivated them in 2001 the EX-148 Darpa round would have been fielded along with numerous other low cost projectiles even including 400+NM Scram Jet rounds, which would still be a cheaper yet a viably effective alternative to the Missile.
If you'll notice there is a key word up there...."Low Cost". That word doesn't fly around well like it did in the 80's when Lehman was secretary of the navy. Kind of a cuss word nowadays, as is fixed price incentive and firm fixed price. Say those words and people will look at you like to told them off.
You see the Battleships don't require the ammount of O&M costs that the carriers bear. Also DDX...multi Billion Dollars spent, but nothing to show for it which litton, raytheon, General Dynamics and other corporations are involved in make it okay to be anti battleship because they (the battleships) are a lower cost solution and won't fill their pockets

. Well hell, it wouldn't fill their pockets, but it would fill a gap that could save lives, save money and bring prior tried and true capabilities along with new ones.

So no, I do not agree with a lot of things that are going on in this administration, but at least we are doing something about many of the situations at hand, instead of waiting for another catastrophic event to take place.

August · 11-17-07, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

hes not a man at all, hes a filthy moronic coward, only thing he deserves right now, is to be tortured to the extreme, then executed...

killed thousands of troops over some B.S that didnt exist..

That's tough talk for some punk kid hiding behind internet anonymity.

Skybird · 11-18-07, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peto

My son is currently patrolling the Iraq/Iran border with the 101st Airborne. I know what his mission is: Stay Alive and do evrything he can to make sure his buddies do to. Their world is a million miles away from politics. They're tired and just want to come home.

When I see bush (lack of capital letter intentional) posing with wounded Veterans, it disgusts me.

How can a man without honor bestow honor?

An honest and straight post, thank you. Best wishes for your son's safe return. Cause when I say that I'm also a million miles away from politics.

Kapitan_Phillips · 11-17-07, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elite_hunter_sh3

http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures...lectionId=1272

I'm amazed that Bush can actually look at these men and not wonder "What am I doing?"

most of them are too awful to look at

************************** bush.

i wonder how many more innocent people end up like this before Israel decides the U.S should pull out of iraq..
WMDs my ***...

At least he bothers.

baggygreen · 11-17-07, 07:25 PM

These poor buggers may be disfigured, and they may be disabled, but they signed up as volunteers. Last time i checked the US doesnt have conscription...

They signed up knowing that there was a chance they'd be sent away to fight a war... whether they agree with it or not, i've little doubt they went into it gladly - its their job! its what they put so many hard hours into training for...

Bottom liine of it is that they accept the risks when they enlist, these poor fellas lucked out but believe it or not, people have been coming home from wars in similar states for thousands of years.

CCIP · 11-17-07, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baggygreen

Bottom liine of it is that they accept the risks when they enlist, these poor fellas lucked out but believe it or not, people have been coming home from wars in similar states for thousands of years.

Actually there is an ironic note to make here:

Thanks to the recent advances in medicine, the Iraq war has so far produced the highest rate of severely disabled veterans yet. Previous wars would have many of such casualties die of their injuries. I don't remember where I saw these stats, but the ratio of KIA to WIA in Iraq definitely had me raising an eyebrow when I saw it.

That said, well... they knew what they were doing. Or should've known.
I definitely sympathise with all service men, but with volunteer forces like this - you just have to recognize that these are repercussions of their own choices.

11-10-07, 07:30 PM	#1
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The chances are that the person GWB was being photographed with had been 'vetted' prior to the visit, being asked about his views and stuff like that, the President doesn't just turn up and chance meeting someone who might give him a load of verbal, so there could well be some kind of freebie going on with him or something similar of that nature. Anyone who has ever been in the military will know that's what happens whenever a big name gets shown around to 'kiss babies'. It happens lots of other places too, for example, when I worked at a paper a few years back, Tony Blair came to the premises as part of the drive for the Commonwealth Games in Manchester, the paper I worked at being one of the big sponsors. He was kept well clear of the 'peasants' (i.e. all us workers), as he probably would have received a few choice comments, and at the time the editor was sucking up to him big time, writing lots of creeping fawning letters on the editorial page (probably after a knighthood or something). Actually, I did bump into TB on that visit, he was coming through the canteen when I went down there for a cigarette and a cup of tea, and he came breezing through (with his jacket off and sleeves rolled up, that being TB's attempt to look like one of the people), and the editor was tailing along behind him like some kind of faithful puppy, it was embarrassing to watch actually, all the editor needed to do to make himself have any less dignity would have been to wring a cap in his hands. Trust me, those kind of visits are more rehearsed and stage-managed than a West End show. Chock __________________

11-17-07, 01:25 AM	#3
Peto Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The details of my life are quite inconsequential Posts: 1,049 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	My son is currently patrolling the Iraq/Iran border with the 101st Airborne. I know what his mission is: Stay Alive and do evrything he can to make sure his buddies do to. Their world is a million miles away from politics. They're tired and just want to come home. When I see bush (lack of capital letter intentional) posing with wounded Veterans, it disgusts me. How can a man without honor bestow honor? __________________ If your target has a 30 degree AOB, the range from his base course line equals the current range divided by 2.

11-17-07, 10:31 AM	#5
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Bush may be king of the gaffs but he has made the effort to these wounded men unlike my former Prime Minister Tony Blair and my present one Gordon Brown who have made no effort to see are wounded men. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

11-17-07, 11:12 AM	#7
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11-17-07, 11:49 AM	#10
SteminDemon13 Sparky Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 158 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well, I usually don't post on the politics board. To say Bush should be hung and all that is your opinion that I do not agree upon, however you have a right to it because many others and myself have fought to defend that right. After years of just sweeping foreign policy under the rug, and a false sense of "we are at peace" during the Clinton presidency and don't forget downgrading our miitary, has contributed to the problems we now face. Did Sadam have nothing to hide? Was he so honest about what his intentions were when he kicked the weapons inspectors out in 98. Was it cool for him to just downplay the UN and violate all those UN resolutions that were failing? How can you come up with laws and the likes if no one is willing to enforce them? The United States of America decided to do something about it and believe it or not, has countries that supported it, while some choose to remain silent in their support. Sadam had a lot to hide, i he didn't he wouldn't have sent that bogus report to show "everything" he had. The planes that were uncovered in Iraq were not on that report, nor a plethora of other things. When was the last time you heard of Bush or Clinton Killing hundeds of thousands of their own people? Sadam....well he has. So the question boils down to, when were we going to deal with Sadam? Were we going to just sweep it under the rug again and do nothing?,write more UN resolutions so that Sadam can just blow them off and show the uselessness of those resolutions?, wait till the civilian death toll rises to Hollocaust status?, wait until he deploys chemical weapons on people that oppose him or gas other countries?, shall we have waited until he invades another country, go in and atack and then be told to go home because our job is done and watch numerous supporters of freedom get killed again? I do not agree with every policy Bush has put forth, but our country has stood up to terrorism and is dealing with it. When during the Clinton years have you seen so many people speak out against their Government and want freedom and democracy, equal rights, and so on? It has been happening a lot because many people want the freedoms we share and have a right to them. There are many policies I disagree with, sure the Military funding has gone up, but those dollars are being wasted. All this money that has funded the "cost plus fee way", pork barrel projects and the likes is one thing I am strongly against. How many years are we going to leave a NSFS (Naval Surface Fire Support) gap for our troops? They say, oh we are coming up with ERGM, and this and that since forever now and have either nothing to show for it or it will be 2040 until it comes around. One effective, low cost near and mid term and even long term solution to the problem, which many have (marines, the underspoken army and many others) been asking for was to reactivate the battleships. Due to disgusting politics this has not come to fruition. If they would have reactivated them in 2001 the EX-148 Darpa round would have been fielded along with numerous other low cost projectiles even including 400+NM Scram Jet rounds, which would still be a cheaper yet a viably effective alternative to the Missile. If you'll notice there is a key word up there...."Low Cost". That word doesn't fly around well like it did in the 80's when Lehman was secretary of the navy. Kind of a cuss word nowadays, as is fixed price incentive and firm fixed price. Say those words and people will look at you like to told them off. You see the Battleships don't require the ammount of O&M costs that the carriers bear. Also DDX...multi Billion Dollars spent, but nothing to show for it which litton, raytheon, General Dynamics and other corporations are involved in make it okay to be anti battleship because they (the battleships) are a lower cost solution and won't fill their pockets . Well hell, it wouldn't fill their pockets, but it would fill a gap that could save lives, save money and bring prior tried and true capabilities along with new ones. So no, I do not agree with a lot of things that are going on in this administration, but at least we are doing something about many of the situations at hand, instead of waiting for another catastrophic event to take place. __________________ This is a day to celebrate the rebirth of American sea power." "Listen for the footsteps of those who have gone before you. They speak to you of honor and the importance of duty. They remind you of your own traditions." Casper W. Weinberger. Reactivate Our Battleships!

11-17-07, 01:05 AM	#2
elite_hunter_sh3 The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,376 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures...lectionId=1272 I'm amazed that Bush can actually look at these men and not wonder "What am I doing?" most of them are too awful to look at ************************ bush. i wonder how many more innocent people end up like this before Israel decides the U.S should pull out of iraq.. WMDs my *...

11-17-07, 10:26 AM	#4
elite_hunter_sh3 The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 1,376 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	hes not a man at all, hes a filthy moronic coward, only thing he deserves right now, is to be tortured to the extreme, then executed... killed thousands of troops over some B.S that didnt exist..

11-17-07, 11:03 AM	#6
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,053 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	BUSH: "Look soldier, I got you a brand new T-shirt! Isnt it cool?" SOLDIER: "You gotta be *******ing kidding me!?" EDIT: Oh wait! Elite_hunter didnt mention that it is Bush who is given the shirt by the Veteran, not Bush giving the shirt to the Veteran. "President Bush is presented a T-shirt from Lcpl. Isaac Gallegos during a visit to the Center for the Intrepid at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, Texas, November 8, 2007."

11-17-07, 07:25 PM	#14
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	These poor buggers may be disfigured, and they may be disabled, but they signed up as volunteers. Last time i checked the US doesnt have conscription... They signed up knowing that there was a chance they'd be sent away to fight a war... whether they agree with it or not, i've little doubt they went into it gladly - its their job! its what they put so many hard hours into training for... Bottom liine of it is that they accept the risks when they enlist, these poor fellas lucked out but believe it or not, people have been coming home from wars in similar states for thousands of years.