This is a first for me...

STEED · 10-23-07, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DeepIron

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to take voluntary redundancy...

Excuse my ignorance, is this the same as being voluntariy "laid off" versus "We terminate your employment"?

What it means you say bye, bye and they don't have the burden to lay you off, I say give them the burden that's why they get the big money.

DeepIron · 10-23-07, 10:38 AM

I agree... Give 'em the burden, and maybe a little heartburn to go with it...

My last (and final) job as an IT Admin required me to write down the various username/passwords used throughout the network, routers, firewalls, servers, etc., and give them to my (former) boss.

I got "terminated" without notice and management used the "poor job performance" excuse, even after I had received a substantial raise and a glowing evaluation not two months earlier and had managed a $250K ERP upgrade project and brought it in under budget

Anyway, my (former) boss called me up about a month after I left because he needed the passwords to the routers and firewall. I asked him why and he said "he misplaced them"... He was hoping I would "do him a favor"...

I told him it would cost them $10K for me to come back and take care of the problem as a consultant because I didn't work for them anymore...

Chock · 10-23-07, 10:47 AM

Obviously this is not a pleasant situation to be in, and both my missus and myself have been in it too in the past. But what is compensatory, is the knowledge that if the company was trying to save money in letting you go, it's the beginning of a downward spiral for them, and their situation will not be improved by the loss of you or your colleague, both of whom will take all their experience out of the door too when they go.

Typically what will happen is that the company will realise that they really did need two people, and so will attempt to get someone in for a lot less money. And when they pay peanuts, they will of course get a monkey. What they really should address is the management who failed in getting enough work for both you and your colleague in the first place, but of course it was their decision, so that never happens, still, rest assured that their time will come.

My wife Max read this over my shoulder and concurred with me that frankly, if you are with a company like that, apart from the pain in the ass of switching jobs and a relatively short period of difficulty while that happens, you're better off out of there.

'Sit back and laugh your ass off when they all lose their jobs in three months time, like I did!' - that was a quote from my wife. Who now does work she used to do at that company, but as freelancer, and gets paid twice as much for doing it in half the time:rotfl:

Chock

jumpy · 10-23-07, 01:48 PM

Thanks for those encouraging words, all.

Missy is back home and propped up amongst loads of pillows on the sofa, like some latter day elder duchess. When I have a minute to spare from running about looking after her, I shall fill you in on the work things as it stands after tomorrow.

The Munster · 10-23-07, 03:49 PM

@Jumpy .. redundancy always looks better on your C.V.
@Kapitan .. this is a situation I think you will understand as we are in similar careers LOL
The 'Mob' I'm working for have 2 wage structures .. the good one includes bonus and a 6 month sickness scheme with no loss of earnings
the bad one .. no bonus and no sick pay [or any pay] for the first 3 days then you have to submit a Doctor's note then keep your fingers crossed for a Month.
How did this happen ?
In house lost the contract to Onyx which had the good stuff then after X amount of years, lost the Contract [for whatever reason put will probably involve money] back to In house. A 'Governing Body' stipulated that In house had to keep on the men with the good stuff they had with Onyx which they agreed to; what came after took or left the other structure. I am one of these and at the moment, I'm working on a Month to Month Contract = makes for many a sleepless night !
As a result of this 2 tier system, you have guys [sorry Pen] who take a sickie anytime they like with no loss of earnings and others limping along and falling asleep in the Cab due to working 6-2, 10 days on a trot on flat rate to get a half decent salary.
Just a little 'food for thought'.

Jimbuna · 10-23-07, 03:59 PM

Sad news all round people

To the Brits here....if contracts are lost to tender and transferance of employees results...ask about TUPE (transfer of personal undertakings)....it is a legal requirement now under the Employment Relations Act

The Munster · 10-23-07, 04:13 PM

By all accounts, this was implemented and accepted by this Mob and conditions and contracts were accepted by them. It's the people that came after that are treated like second rate citizens with 'Victorian' working practises and having no leg to stand on and no 'body' to turn to that makes my blood boil !
Personally, I have a choice, walk out but that wouldn't look too good on the C.V. or bust my A**E working month to month.

Jimbuna · 10-23-07, 04:18 PM

It's often referred to as 'withering on the vine' (let the old contracts die as people leave and re-engage new staff on revised contracts).
The workforce should organise themselves and join a Trade Union :hmm:

10-23-07, 10:38 AM	#2
DeepIron Sea Lord Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Too far from the Pacific right now... Posts: 1,634 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I agree... Give 'em the burden, and maybe a little heartburn to go with it... My last (and final) job as an IT Admin required me to write down the various username/passwords used throughout the network, routers, firewalls, servers, etc., and give them to my (former) boss. I got "terminated" without notice and management used the "poor job performance" excuse, even after I had received a substantial raise and a glowing evaluation not two months earlier and had managed a $250K ERP upgrade project and brought it in under budget Anyway, my (former) boss called me up about a month after I left because he needed the passwords to the routers and firewall. I asked him why and he said "he misplaced them"... He was hoping I would "do him a favor"... I told him it would cost them $10K for me to come back and take care of the problem as a consultant because I didn't work for them anymore... __________________ RFB / RSRDC Beta Tester RFB / RSRDC Modding Forum: http://forum.kickinbak.com/index.php RFB Top Post link: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=125529 RFB Loadout: RFB_V1.52_102408: RFB_V1.52_Patch_111608: RSRDC_RFBv15_V396 Last edited by DeepIron; 10-23-07 at 10:48 AM.

10-23-07, 10:47 AM	#3
Chock Sea Lord Join Date: May 2005 Location: Under a thermal layer in chilly Olde England Posts: 1,842 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Obviously this is not a pleasant situation to be in, and both my missus and myself have been in it too in the past. But what is compensatory, is the knowledge that if the company was trying to save money in letting you go, it's the beginning of a downward spiral for them, and their situation will not be improved by the loss of you or your colleague, both of whom will take all their experience out of the door too when they go. Typically what will happen is that the company will realise that they really did need two people, and so will attempt to get someone in for a lot less money. And when they pay peanuts, they will of course get a monkey. What they really should address is the management who failed in getting enough work for both you and your colleague in the first place, but of course it was their decision, so that never happens, still, rest assured that their time will come. My wife Max read this over my shoulder and concurred with me that frankly, if you are with a company like that, apart from the pain in the ass of switching jobs and a relatively short period of difficulty while that happens, you're better off out of there. 'Sit back and laugh your ass off when they all lose their jobs in three months time, like I did!' - that was a quote from my wife. Who now does work she used to do at that company, but as freelancer, and gets paid twice as much for doing it in half the time:rotfl: Chock __________________

10-23-07, 01:48 PM	#4
jumpy Admiral Join Date: May 2003 Location: Midlands, UK Posts: 2,139 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Thanks for those encouraging words, all. Missy is back home and propped up amongst loads of pillows on the sofa, like some latter day elder duchess. When I have a minute to spare from running about looking after her, I shall fill you in on the work things as it stands after tomorrow. __________________ when you’ve been so long in the desert, any water, no matter how brackish, looks like life

10-23-07, 03:49 PM	#5
The Munster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Deepest Dumbria Posts: 1,243 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	@Jumpy .. redundancy always looks better on your C.V. @Kapitan .. this is a situation I think you will understand as we are in similar careers LOL The 'Mob' I'm working for have 2 wage structures .. the good one includes bonus and a 6 month sickness scheme with no loss of earnings the bad one .. no bonus and no sick pay [or any pay] for the first 3 days then you have to submit a Doctor's note then keep your fingers crossed for a Month. How did this happen ? In house lost the contract to Onyx which had the good stuff then after X amount of years, lost the Contract [for whatever reason put will probably involve money] back to In house. A 'Governing Body' stipulated that In house had to keep on the men with the good stuff they had with Onyx which they agreed to; what came after took or left the other structure. I am one of these and at the moment, I'm working on a Month to Month Contract = makes for many a sleepless night ! As a result of this 2 tier system, you have guys [sorry Pen] who take a sickie anytime they like with no loss of earnings and others limping along and falling asleep in the Cab due to working 6-2, 10 days on a trot on flat rate to get a half decent salary. Just a little 'food for thought'. __________________ *GWX Team Member; Retired* GWX Home Page

10-23-07, 03:59 PM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Sad news all round people To the Brits here....if contracts are lost to tender and transferance of employees results...ask about TUPE (transfer of personal undertakings)....it is a legal requirement now under the Employment Relations Act __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

10-23-07, 04:13 PM	#7
The Munster Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Deepest Dumbria Posts: 1,243 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	By all accounts, this was implemented and accepted by this Mob and conditions and contracts were accepted by them. It's the people that came after that are treated like second rate citizens with 'Victorian' working practises and having no leg to stand on and no 'body' to turn to that makes my blood boil ! Personally, I have a choice, walk out but that wouldn't look too good on the C.V. or bust my AE working month to month. __________________ GWX Team Member; Retired** GWX Home Page

10-23-07, 04:18 PM	#8
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	It's often referred to as 'withering on the vine' (let the old contracts die as people leave and re-engage new staff on revised contracts). The workforce should organise themselves and join a Trade Union :hmm: __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!