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Old 10-12-07, 04:05 AM   #1
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Hmm, despite that latest report stating a drug overdose, I find it awfully coincidental that our Abraham is now on the list along with other key witnesses who are no longer able to speak out. I know stranger things have happened, but still, it seems very suspect to me.

Also, can we have the 'good rating' stars removed from this thread? Somehow it doesn't seem appropriate under the circumstances of this obituary, well meaning or otherwise
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Old 10-12-07, 04:31 AM   #2
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Even though we had a few clashes about spelling and punctuation, rest in peace abraham.
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Old 10-12-07, 04:43 AM   #3
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If he was not forced to take that XTC overdose, it appears to me as an understandable explanation that the stress and the fear (that even when he did not admit it must have travelled with him in the background of his head) maybe was so intense that he sought relief this way. That he was a regular drug consumer is something I cannot get together with my internet-dependant impression of him.

However, the timing, and the "coincidence", if it was that, of so many witnesses already killed, I see as highly suspicious. and even if he used drugs regularly or only to seek relief by suicide (XTC for that purpose?) - it remains the fact that he showed courage to confront a public enemy and accepting the risk.

And that is what counts.
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Old 10-12-07, 05:36 AM   #4
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Dutch police actually said yesterday that not only MDMA was found, but also high amounts of alcohol. And they also said that it was the combination of both that proved to be fatal. I'm a bit surpised that this isn't mentioned in both English articles I found about it, but it is mentioned in all Dutch articles I have read.
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Old 10-12-07, 11:06 AM   #5
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I am shocked by what has happened, and am much saddened by the loss. My sincere condolences to his family. I hope those responsible are brought to justice.

I did not know him well on a personal level. But I do remember him very favorably, he always seemed to be a stand up, intelligent man, with strong convictions. His posts were always well thought out and worth reading. Obviously his willingness to testify given the danger shows the type of character he possessed, and the type of man he was.

He will be missed
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Old 10-12-07, 11:24 AM   #6
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According to this threads reports from news articles overseas, plus a small selection of comments ... this is what we have so far

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Originally Posted by Huskalar
Dutch police actually said yesterday that not only MDMA was found, but also high amounts of alcohol
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Originally Posted by ReM
The official statement is that Bram Zeegers died of a drug overdose, MDMA, a.k.a. as XTC is said to be the culprit.
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Originally Posted by ASWnut101
From what I can remember, he was a smart, nice guy. Now, I'll never get to know him...
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Being a witness in that kind of trial is, in my opinion, one of the strongest signs of personal integrity, and today it is rare that people have the courage too acctually follow through your sense of moral duty in practice.
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One article also sais something like his family urging him to get out of it, what he obviously rejected, and that he remained calm although knowing that he was in danger.
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Four key witnesses dead!!

The plot certainly thickens
We know alcohol and a drug referred to as XTC was found in Bram's body after he was found dead in the shower.

We know he was 58 years old with lots of reasons to live.

We know that he had been representing a man that was being blackmailed and that that man was murdered.

We know that he was a witness against a local crime lord that has been suspected in other murders and was considered to be the person that was black mailing his client.

We know, from some personally, that he was considered to be an intelligent gentleman.

Leads me to suspect foul play ... but ...

How did the alcohol get into his system?

How did the drugs get into his system?

How did he get into the shower?

Was he alone? Don't people that do this type of drug do it with others for sexual reasons or just companionship?

Instead of flowers perhaps we owe a brother an attempt to get at the truth instead of just seeing the case written off as a drug overdoze or do I watch too much CSI.

Are there any brusing of his body parts, could there be a way to sneak the drug into food and he took it accidently?

Will the Dutch police check for dna samples?

Better yet ... how about a miracle of someone coming forward that saw something.

I'll let it rest ... but
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Old 10-12-07, 12:41 PM   #7
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The circumstances certainly appear to be as suspicious as anything I have ever read or come across :hmm:
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Old 10-12-07, 01:37 PM   #8
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A sad and tragic loss.



I have no desire to play detective.
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