Vista Is The Black Plague Of SH4

mrbeast · 09-30-07, 07:15 AM

Is it me or is Vista becoming a real pain in the backside?! I've heard a lot of bad things about it and even heard that many of the functions that Vista boasts can already be used on XP!

Thankfully I'm an XP user at the moment but I'm dreading the day I have to upgrade to a new system and have to have Vista. In fact I'm thinking I might get someone to rebuild my current system so I can keep my HD and not have to use Vista, just change to a better mother board, proccessor etc. But thats a year or so off yet I think.

Redwine · 09-30-07, 07:26 AM

MS anounced a free "downgrade" patch to convert Vista OS into W XP SP2 OS.

http://www.elpais.com/articulo/inter...lpepunet_2/Tes

Stay alert for that...

seafarer · 09-30-07, 08:08 AM

I'd say the easiest solution to the OP's problem is to install all your software into any folder OTHER than "program files". I have SHiV and SHIII in a "games" directory in my user area. This completely bypasses Vista's UAC limitations. Mods and editing work just as they did under XP, with no permission problems.

Other then the couple of tools that came with my PC (eg. DVD/CD burner app), I have not installed anything into "program files" - it's all in my user area, or in a "C:\applications" directory. You could also disable UAC from the control panel, but that may mess up OS updates and such, so it's easier to bypass UAC's obnoxious user-level intervention by not using "program files" for your apps.

Vlad34 · 09-30-07, 04:38 PM

Windows Vista is the "Black Plague" to most games and software. Two of my friends have it and they are so hating life right now it's laughable. Everything that they ran fine on XP is somehow tanked because of Vista! I am avoiding Vista until it becomes a mandatory upgrade. By rule of thumb you should really wait a year, perhaps even two before upgrading on a Microsoft product. Remember when Windows XP came out? Very buggy too, but give them time (A LOT of time) and they will eventually get it close to right. Nothing says "I hate you" like giving someone Windows Vista as a gift!

mrbeast · 09-30-07, 05:04 PM

The truth of the matter is that Microsoft relys on a bunch of people buying a new windows and finding its all buggy, to track down all the glitches and duff features so that they can correct it for later releases. So in effect people who went out and bought Vista when it was released were paying Microsoft for the privelege of ironing out the bugs in their operating system which should have been done before it was released in the first place!

Thats users paying Microsoft to work for them rather than the other way round.....now you know why Bill Gates is just about the richest individual on the planet!

I wouldn't touch any new Windows for at least a year after it was released if I didn't have to. Having said that I think Vista is a bit of a dud anyway.

[EDIT that is allegedly....don't want to get sued by Microsoft......I love Windows XP!

]

Canonicus · 09-30-07, 08:16 PM

Sounds like Vista's NOT the problem here...but someone who doesn't fully understand how to make it work.

But if Vista bashing is all the rage..by all means!

Not me...I've never had ONE problem running SH4 with Vista Home Premium...Not one that can be OS related, that is!
Only the "normal" CTD's directly the responsibility of the unstable...beta-when-released SH4 programming.

Krauter · 09-30-07, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canonicus

Sounds like Vista's NOT the problem here...but someone who doesn't fully understand how to make it work.

Then by all means, answer the question so I may get rid of my tiresome troubles.

With Regards,

Krauter

sqk7744 · 09-30-07, 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrbeast

The truth of the matter is that Microsoft relys on a bunch of people buying a new windows and finding its all buggy, to track down all the glitches and duff features so that they can correct it for later releases. So in effect people who went out and bought Vista when it was released were paying Microsoft for the privelege of ironing out the bugs in their operating system which should have been done before it was released in the first place!

Thats users paying Microsoft to work for them rather than the other way round.....now you know why Bill Gates is just about the richest individual on the planet!

I wouldn't touch any new Windows for at least a year after it was released if I didn't have to. Having said that I think Vista is a bit of a dud anyway.

[EDIT that is allegedly....don't want to get sued by Microsoft......I love Windows XP!

]

AMEN mrbeast!

After 12 years as consumer and quality control, -its getting a little old.

seafarer · 10-01-07, 06:01 AM

Krauter - as Marco_Ramius mentions, just alter the default install path (when the installer gets to that point) to whatever directory you want. You don't even need to create the directory beforehand, as the installer will create it if it does not already exist. This is the same behaviour as installers in XP, btw.

Marco_Ramius - disabling UAC from the control panel would fix the issues with SHIV (ie. issues with patches not taking and such), but it may also mess up OS updates and security patches, so it's easier to bypass it then to outright disable it (which, since it is so easily bypassed, does just show how lame the implementation of this "feature" is).

Krauter, if you reinstall, after uninstalling SHIV (use the Control Panel - "Program and Features" to do that), go into your user directory and enable hidden folders in the view options (under the menu Tools -> Folder Options ->View tab). Delete the SHIV folder in "AppData\Local\Virtual Store\Program Files". Now, re-install SHIV but put it in the folder of your choice, just so long as it is NOT the default "Program files" folder.

P.S. I'm not posting anything new either - all of this information was posted long ago by earlier Vista users then I, in the SHIII forums, and it's in these SHIV forums as well. My SHIII (GWX 1.03+SH3 COmmander) and SHIV (+ JSGME and mods) all run fine this way under Vista - no issues at all.

Krauter · 09-30-07, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seafarer

I'd say the easiest solution to the OP's problem is to install all your software into any folder OTHER than "program files". I have SHiV and SHIII in a "games" directory in my user area. This completely bypasses Vista's UAC limitations. Mods and editing work just as they did under XP, with no permission problems.

Other then the couple of tools that came with my PC (eg. DVD/CD burner app), I have not installed anything into "program files" - it's all in my user area, or in a "C:\applications" directory. You could also disable UAC from the control panel, but that may mess up OS updates and such, so it's easier to bypass UAC's obnoxious user-level intervention by not using "program files" for your apps.

Hey,

May I ask how you install a program into your "Games" directory, and not your "Program Files"? If this will indeed end Vistas meddling, it will help alot.

Thank you in advance for all posts helpfull or not.

Krauter

Marko_Ramius · 09-30-07, 09:36 PM

Hi,

I'm not a Vista user yet, but i presume you can create a folder, name it like you want ( "MyGames", for exemple). When installing a game, the installer will prompt you and ask where you want to install it. You can, here, type the path of your choice ( for exemple : C:\MyGames\****SH4 ).

May i ask why it should be a so big problem to disable UAC ?? This feature seems to be the culprit in a lot of problem i can hear. At last in gaming circle ..

09-30-07, 07:15 AM	#1
mrbeast Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bolton, UK Posts: 1,236 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Is it me or is Vista becoming a real pain in the backside?! I've heard a lot of bad things about it and even heard that many of the functions that Vista boasts can already be used on XP! Thankfully I'm an XP user at the moment but I'm dreading the day I have to upgrade to a new system and have to have Vista. In fact I'm thinking I might get someone to rebuild my current system so I can keep my HD and not have to use Vista, just change to a better mother board, proccessor etc. But thats a year or so off yet I think. __________________

09-30-07, 07:26 AM	#2
Redwine Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: San Martin de los Andes, Neuquen, , Argentina. Posts: 1,962 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	MS anounced a free "downgrade" patch to convert Vista OS into W XP SP2 OS. http://www.elpais.com/articulo/inter...lpepunet_2/Tes Stay alert for that... __________________ . "SH III and SH IV Mods" "Manual TDC Tutorial" "SH2 Downloads Selection"

09-30-07, 05:04 PM	#5
mrbeast Ace of the Deep Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bolton, UK Posts: 1,236 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The truth of the matter is that Microsoft relys on a bunch of people buying a new windows and finding its all buggy, to track down all the glitches and duff features so that they can correct it for later releases. So in effect people who went out and bought Vista when it was released were paying Microsoft for the privelege of ironing out the bugs in their operating system which should have been done before it was released in the first place! Thats users paying Microsoft to work for them rather than the other way round.....now you know why Bill Gates is just about the richest individual on the planet! I wouldn't touch any new Windows for at least a year after it was released if I didn't have to. Having said that I think Vista is a bit of a dud anyway. [EDIT that is allegedly....don't want to get sued by Microsoft......I love Windows XP! ] __________________

09-30-07, 08:08 AM	#3
seafarer Commodore Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 622 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I'd say the easiest solution to the OP's problem is to install all your software into any folder OTHER than "program files". I have SHiV and SHIII in a "games" directory in my user area. This completely bypasses Vista's UAC limitations. Mods and editing work just as they did under XP, with no permission problems. Other then the couple of tools that came with my PC (eg. DVD/CD burner app), I have not installed anything into "program files" - it's all in my user area, or in a "C:\applications" directory. You could also disable UAC from the control panel, but that may mess up OS updates and such, so it's easier to bypass UAC's obnoxious user-level intervention by not using "program files" for your apps.

09-30-07, 04:38 PM	#4
Vlad34 Mate Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Washington State Posts: 59 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Windows Vista is the "Black Plague" to most games and software. Two of my friends have it and they are so hating life right now it's laughable. Everything that they ran fine on XP is somehow tanked because of Vista! I am avoiding Vista until it becomes a mandatory upgrade. By rule of thumb you should really wait a year, perhaps even two before upgrading on a Microsoft product. Remember when Windows XP came out? Very buggy too, but give them time (A LOT of time) and they will eventually get it close to right. Nothing says "I hate you" like giving someone Windows Vista as a gift!

09-30-07, 08:16 PM	#6
Canonicus XO Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: In your baffles... Posts: 434 Downloads: 624 Uploads: 7	Sounds like Vista's NOT the problem here...but someone who doesn't fully understand how to make it work. But if Vista bashing is all the rage..by all means! Not me...I've never had ONE problem running SH4 with Vista Home Premium...Not one that can be OS related, that is! Only the "normal" CTD's directly the responsibility of the unstable...beta-when-released SH4 programming.

10-01-07, 06:01 AM	#9
seafarer Commodore Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 622 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Krauter - as Marco_Ramius mentions, just alter the default install path (when the installer gets to that point) to whatever directory you want. You don't even need to create the directory beforehand, as the installer will create it if it does not already exist. This is the same behaviour as installers in XP, btw. Marco_Ramius - disabling UAC from the control panel would fix the issues with SHIV (ie. issues with patches not taking and such), but it may also mess up OS updates and security patches, so it's easier to bypass it then to outright disable it (which, since it is so easily bypassed, does just show how lame the implementation of this "feature" is). Krauter, if you reinstall, after uninstalling SHIV (use the Control Panel - "Program and Features" to do that), go into your user directory and enable hidden folders in the view options (under the menu Tools -> Folder Options ->View tab). Delete the SHIV folder in "AppData\Local\Virtual Store\Program Files". Now, re-install SHIV but put it in the folder of your choice, just so long as it is NOT the default "Program files" folder. P.S. I'm not posting anything new either - all of this information was posted long ago by earlier Vista users then I, in the SHIII forums, and it's in these SHIV forums as well. My SHIII (GWX 1.03+SH3 COmmander) and SHIV (+ JSGME and mods) all run fine this way under Vista - no issues at all.

09-30-07, 09:36 PM	#11
Marko_Ramius Frogman Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Near Paris Posts: 303 Downloads: 113 Uploads: 0	Hi, I'm not a Vista user yet, but i presume you can create a folder, name it like you want ( "MyGames", for exemple). When installing a game, the installer will prompt you and ask where you want to install it. You can, here, type the path of your choice ( for exemple : C:\MyGames\****SH4 ). May i ask why it should be a so big problem to disable UAC ?? This feature seems to be the culprit in a lot of problem i can hear. At last in gaming circle ..