Interesting Question

GoldenRivet · 08-08-07, 04:58 AM

Here goes...

if you attack and sink a neutral unit, all of the other neutral units treat you as an enemy for the next 24 (?) hours in SH3.

does the same logic hold true for a British destroyer that sinks an american merchant in early 1941?

for example, your sub surfaces on the port side of an American Merchant... the British Destroyer on the starboard side goes nuts shooting at you and kills the merchant in the process... do all of the American ships turn on the british ship?

:rotfl:

:hmm:

STEED · 08-08-07, 05:02 AM

That would make things easy for 24 hours while you attack a convoy the escorts are shooting the hell out of each other. :rotfl:

GoldenRivet · 08-08-07, 05:15 AM

Just tried it... American BB in the center of a convoy when USA was neutral. surfaced behind an american merchant and the British escorts opened fire and sank the merchant on accident...

Well that Nevada class battle ship was having NONE of that business...

Oblitterated the escorts!!!! :rotfl:

STEED · 08-08-07, 05:25 AM

Sounds like you found the chink in the escorts; we must exploit this weakness to the utmost.

ReM · 08-08-07, 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Just tried it... American BB in the center of a convoy when USA was neutral. surfaced behind an american merchant and the British escorts opened fire and sank the merchant on accident...

Well that Nevada class battle ship was having NONE of that business...

Oblitterated the escorts!!!! :rotfl:

Sounds great, now all I have to do is find a convoy with a neutral US BB in it!

Stierlitz · 08-08-07, 08:02 AM

Hmm, I have a similar question then: (this may have been already asked, didn't find it in the older threads though)

Ok, so I attack a neutral ship, thus making the other ships from that country go hostile on me.
Sinking neutral ships gives you a penalty to your renown, right?
Do the ships that have just turned hostile give you renown just like enemy ships?

Sailor Steve · 08-08-07, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stierlitz

Hmm, I have a similar question then: (this may have been already asked, didn't find it in the older threads though)

Ok, so I attack a neutral ship, thus making the other ships from that country go hostile on me.
Sinking neutral ships gives you a penalty to your renown, right?
Do the ships that have just turned hostile give you renown just like enemy ships?

Now THAT is an interesting question!:hmm:

Mooncatt · 08-08-07, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Just tried it... American BB in the center of a convoy when USA was neutral. surfaced behind an american merchant and the British escorts opened fire and sank the merchant on accident...

Well that Nevada class battle ship was having NONE of that business...

Oblitterated the escorts!!!! :rotfl:

awesome love it, thats a really good find that one.

danurve · 08-08-07, 10:18 AM

Funny to read about the games AI tieing knots on itself

KeptinCranky · 08-08-07, 12:59 PM

:rotfl:That's quite an exploit, won't happen often but so worth it, you could even try the same thing with Liberty Cargos, those also severely outgun a DD and could play merry hell by suddenly going postal on an unsuspecting convoy

:hmm: however,
I don't think any Battleship in a hostile convoy escorted by British Warships would technically be neutral, American or not...

Any U-boat captain would have at least shot 1 eel at it in a situation like that, Sink the big tub and let the lawyers sort out the legality of it, one less battleship is always good, shame it wasn't an Essex class carrier though

I'll keep saying it BBs do not belong in the middle of convoys going less than 10 knots, that's just asking to get sunk, so that's what I'll do if given half a chance

edit: Stierlitz, nope, sorry, It's not about whoever fired first taking the blame, unfortunately, that way you could deckgun an american fishing boat for only a minor penalty and the sink a few American passenger liners or maybe a Taskforce and not only get away with it but get a huge reward. I don't think the Fuhrer would appreciate you dragging the US into the war in say early 1940, it'd probably mean a nice show trial and a firing squad instead of medals and drinks on the house....

IrischKapitan · 08-09-07, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Just tried it... American BB in the center of a convoy when USA was neutral. surfaced behind an american merchant and the British escorts opened fire and sank the merchant on accident...

Well that Nevada class battle ship was having NONE of that business...

Oblitterated the escorts!!!! :rotfl:

:rotfl::rotfl:
Fantastic!! We'll all have to exploit that loophole!

Brag · 08-09-07, 06:31 PM

Interesting what sort of unintended stuff happens in GWX. The variety is almost like real life

Jimbuna · 08-08-07, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Here goes...

if you attack and sink a neutral unit, all of the other neutral units treat you as an enemy for the next 24 (?) hours in SH3.

does the same logic hold true for a British destroyer that sinks an american merchant in early 1941?

for example, your sub surfaces on the port side of an American Merchant... the British Destroyer on the starboard side goes nuts shooting at you and kills the merchant in the process... do all of the American ships turn on the british ship?

:rotfl:

:hmm:

The questions gotta be....."exactly what version were you playing" ?

GoldenRivet · 08-08-07, 02:55 PM

Damnit Jimbuna.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Edit: Thats classified by BDU hahaha... i'd be willing to bet its a hard coded issue anyhow.

08-08-07, 04:58 AM	#1
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Interesting Question Here goes... if you attack and sink a neutral unit, all of the other neutral units treat you as an enemy for the next 24 (?) hours in SH3. does the same logic hold true for a British destroyer that sinks an american merchant in early 1941? for example, your sub surfaces on the port side of an American Merchant... the British Destroyer on the starboard side goes nuts shooting at you and kills the merchant in the process... do all of the American ships turn on the british ship? :rotfl: :hmm: __________________

08-08-07, 05:02 AM	#2
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	That would make things easy for 24 hours while you attack a convoy the escorts are shooting the hell out of each other. :rotfl: __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

08-08-07, 05:15 AM	#3
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Just tried it... American BB in the center of a convoy when USA was neutral. surfaced behind an american merchant and the British escorts opened fire and sank the merchant on accident... Well that Nevada class battle ship was having NONE of that business... Oblitterated the escorts!!!! :rotfl: __________________

08-08-07, 05:25 AM	#4
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Sounds like you found the chink in the escorts; we must exploit this weakness to the utmost. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

08-08-07, 10:18 AM	#9
danurve The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 1,481 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 3	Funny to read about the games AI tieing knots on itself __________________

08-08-07, 08:02 AM	#6
Stierlitz Loader Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Lurking at PD... Posts: 86 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Hmm, I have a similar question then: (this may have been already asked, didn't find it in the older threads though) Ok, so I attack a neutral ship, thus making the other ships from that country go hostile on me. Sinking neutral ships gives you a penalty to your renown, right? Do the ships that have just turned hostile give you renown just like enemy ships?

08-08-07, 12:59 PM	#10
KeptinCranky Ace of the Deep Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,050 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	:rotfl:That's quite an exploit, won't happen often but so worth it, you could even try the same thing with Liberty Cargos, those also severely outgun a DD and could play merry hell by suddenly going postal on an unsuspecting convoy :hmm: however, I don't think any Battleship in a hostile convoy escorted by British Warships would technically be neutral, American or not... Any U-boat captain would have at least shot 1 eel at it in a situation like that, Sink the big tub and let the lawyers sort out the legality of it, one less battleship is always good, shame it wasn't an Essex class carrier though I'll keep saying it BBs do not belong in the middle of convoys going less than 10 knots, that's just asking to get sunk, so that's what I'll do if given half a chance edit: Stierlitz, nope, sorry, It's not about whoever fired first taking the blame, unfortunately, that way you could deckgun an american fishing boat for only a minor penalty and the sink a few American passenger liners or maybe a Taskforce and not only get away with it but get a huge reward. I don't think the Fuhrer would appreciate you dragging the US into the war in say early 1940, it'd probably mean a nice show trial and a firing squad instead of medals and drinks on the house....

08-09-07, 06:31 PM	#12
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Interesting what sort of unintended stuff happens in GWX. The variety is almost like real life __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

08-08-07, 02:55 PM	#14
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	Damnit Jimbuna. :rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: Edit: Thats classified by BDU hahaha... i'd be willing to bet its a hard coded issue anyhow. __________________