Impact or magnetic - Page 2

Penelope_Grey · 05-08-07, 04:06 PM

Always use Impacts!

STEED · 05-08-07, 04:35 PM

I'm using T-IV's point and shoot, they do the rest.

The straight runners I use impact in crap weather and magnetic in good.

Sailor Steve · 05-08-07, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by maillemaker

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Realistically, attacks should be next to impossible in major storms.

In the game, they practically are!

I've had storms where I couldn't even SEE the enemy ship until I was too close for the torps to arm.

On the other hand, I've been in the middle of a convoy in raging seas and had every single torpedo run straight to the target.

05-08-07, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainAsh

I dunno what the difference of efficiency between both if we get a clean hit. Is magnetic more efficient???

I m using 2 criteria myself, weather and AoB. Nice weather and flat AoB = magnetic. Anything else = impact or no shoot.

Well, one thing to bear in mind, is that it's not "magnetic vs. impact". The torps are always impact fuzed; the question, is whether or not to enable the magnetic exploder.

Magnetics are less reliable in the early years, but do allow you to attack with AOB > 40 degrees with a decent chance of success.

Brag · 05-08-07, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Engel der Vernichtung

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Originally Posted by CaptainAsh

I dunno what the difference of efficiency between both if we get a clean hit. Is magnetic more efficient???

I m using 2 criteria myself, weather and AoB. Nice weather and flat AoB = magnetic. Anything else = impact or no shoot.

Well, one thing to bear in mind, is that it's not "magnetic vs. impact". The torps are always impact fuzed; the question, is whether or not to enable the magnetic exploder.

Magnetics are less reliable in the early years, but do allow you to attack with AOB > 40 degrees with a decent chance of success.

You may want to read the article on magnetic torpedoes on my webbie

robbo180265 · 05-08-07, 06:41 PM

I use magnetics and set them to impact in rough weather.

robj250 · 05-08-07, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Brag

You may want to read the article on magnetic torpedoes on my webbie

I saw nothing in your webbie about magnetic torpedoes Brag.
Rob

Brag · 05-09-07, 06:39 PM

Rob--you're right. I went in there and it's gone!
I'll try to locate it or write another one.

The basic idea is: you want the torp to go diagonally to the ships centerline. This will give time for the magnetic pistol to arm and fire.

If you fire at an AOB of 90 degrees, the topr may explode on the other side of the ship, maybe too far to cause damage.

Brag · 05-11-07, 03:40 PM

Magnetic Torpedoes

We hear a lot of bad mouthing of the magnetic pistols on the torpedoes. Just like the impact triggers, there were some deficiencies in the magnetics early in the war. However, if properly used, the magnetic is an extremely useful tool. All my battleship sinkings (4) were done with magnetics as they go under the armour belt of the ship.

When not to use magnetic. With deflection 0 and AOB 90 degrees, the torpedo will go under the ship and explode on the other side, causing little if any damage.

When to use it:
Ship is too close for torpedo to arm. Wait 'til ship passes and send a magnetic after it. Especially useful in low visibility.
When attacking a convoy and can't wait for the close to 90 degree AOB.
A zigzagging vessel.
In rough weather, with depth set at 10 meters or more.

In order to cause catastrophic damage, the torpedo must travel under the hull a certain distance for the pistol to activate and explode as close to the ship's centerline as possible. For this you need a shallow, diagonal trajectory.

I fire for magnetic detonation at AOBs less than 40 degrees. In calm weather, I select a depth of 1.5 meters below the ship's keel. In rough weather, 2 meters.

Haven't decided yet which depth is more lethal. Will run some tests during present patrol

Reverie · 05-12-07, 01:44 AM

Currently during the early '40s, I've been experiencing pre-detonations and end of run explosions on both types of pistol. I prefer impact, but will use magnetic only in calm waters and on lone ships. Impact only with shallow depth on escorts. Also, the program seems to endeavor the following of historical torpedo consternation. Follow the advice of Bdu broadcasts regarding torpedo settings, and your results should improve.

Reverie

robj250 · 05-12-07, 01:59 PM

I started this thread because I've never attacked anything when the winds are 15m/s or greater.

Now, I've placed myself in a position to be able to intercept a large convoy under these rough sea conditions in June 1940 in a VIIB sub, no upgrades. The time is presently 1740 and sunset is not until 2200 hrs. I went to periscope depth to see if anything could be heard on the hydrophone. No sound.

Now I have no idea if I'm "bang on" the route of the convoy, but assuming I am, and I have 9 G7a torpedoes (including stern and 1 stern external, no externals forward). I am in Grid AM52.

If you were me, would you try to attack the convoy, or stay clear of convoy routes until the weather settles down.

Rob

joea · 05-12-07, 02:04 PM

I would wait, but that's me.

Jimbuna · 05-12-07, 02:07 PM

Leaving medical conditions aside if I may

The rough weather will help mask your boat from the escorts hydrophones....if you can get into a favourable position....then attack

robj250 · 05-12-07, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Leaving medical conditions aside if I may

The rough weather will help mask your boat from the escorts hydrophones....if you can get into a favourable position....then attack

:rotfl: :rotfl: Well, I went for it. I encountered the convoy after sunset and between trying to pick ships that were not neutrals and ones I could sink and trying to take vids as well, I was all thumbs. I only got two though and I didn't get a vid of it being hit,

, oh well, the escorts started to close in so I went to 100 metres and they never even picked me up; never got pinged once going down to that depth.

I used impact at 4 metres.

HAHA, I go so confused I didn't know whether I was making vids of not because the Fraps number disappeared. :hmm: When it finally become visible, I was filming the nav map.

Rob

05-08-07, 04:06 PM	#16
Penelope_Grey Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: UK Posts: 1,893 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Always use Impacts! __________________ I SURVIVED THE FIRST EVER SUBSIM WEREWOLF HUNT - and... I actually won the game for the humans too!

05-08-07, 04:35 PM	#17
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	I'm using T-IV's point and shoot, they do the rest. The straight runners I use impact in crap weather and magnetic in good. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

05-09-07, 06:39 PM	#23
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Rob--you're right. I went in there and it's gone! I'll try to locate it or write another one. The basic idea is: you want the torp to go diagonally to the ships centerline. This will give time for the magnetic pistol to arm and fire. If you fire at an AOB of 90 degrees, the topr may explode on the other side of the ship, maybe too far to cause damage. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

05-11-07, 03:40 PM	#24
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Magnetic Torpedoes We hear a lot of bad mouthing of the magnetic pistols on the torpedoes. Just like the impact triggers, there were some deficiencies in the magnetics early in the war. However, if properly used, the magnetic is an extremely useful tool. All my battleship sinkings (4) were done with magnetics as they go under the armour belt of the ship. When not to use magnetic. With deflection 0 and AOB 90 degrees, the torpedo will go under the ship and explode on the other side, causing little if any damage. When to use it: Ship is too close for torpedo to arm. Wait 'til ship passes and send a magnetic after it. Especially useful in low visibility. When attacking a convoy and can't wait for the close to 90 degree AOB. A zigzagging vessel. In rough weather, with depth set at 10 meters or more. In order to cause catastrophic damage, the torpedo must travel under the hull a certain distance for the pistol to activate and explode as close to the ship's centerline as possible. For this you need a shallow, diagonal trajectory. I fire for magnetic detonation at AOBs less than 40 degrees. In calm weather, I select a depth of 1.5 meters below the ship's keel. In rough weather, 2 meters. Haven't decided yet which depth is more lethal. Will run some tests during present patrol __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

05-12-07, 01:59 PM	#26
robj250 Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Port Hardy, BC, Canada 75 yo with M.S. & C.O.P.D. & heart problems Posts: 1,930 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	I started this thread because I've never attacked anything when the winds are 15m/s or greater. Now, I've placed myself in a position to be able to intercept a large convoy under these rough sea conditions in June 1940 in a VIIB sub, no upgrades. The time is presently 1740 and sunset is not until 2200 hrs. I went to periscope depth to see if anything could be heard on the hydrophone. No sound. Now I have no idea if I'm "bang on" the route of the convoy, but assuming I am, and I have 9 G7a torpedoes (including stern and 1 stern external, no externals forward). I am in Grid AM52. If you were me, would you try to attack the convoy, or stay clear of convoy routes until the weather settles down. Rob Last edited by robj250; 05-12-07 at 05:09 PM.

05-08-07, 06:41 PM	#21
robbo180265 Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Brighton, England.Party capital of the south Posts: 2,255 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	I use magnetics and set them to impact in rough weather.

05-12-07, 01:44 AM	#25
Reverie Planesman Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 195 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	Currently during the early '40s, I've been experiencing pre-detonations and end of run explosions on both types of pistol. I prefer impact, but will use magnetic only in calm waters and on lone ships. Impact only with shallow depth on escorts. Also, the program seems to endeavor the following of historical torpedo consternation. Follow the advice of Bdu broadcasts regarding torpedo settings, and your results should improve. Reverie

05-12-07, 02:04 PM	#27
joea Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: At periscope depth in Lake Geneva Posts: 3,512 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I would wait, but that's me.

05-12-07, 02:07 PM	#28
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Leaving medical conditions aside if I may The rough weather will help mask your boat from the escorts hydrophones....if you can get into a favourable position....then attack __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!