Firearms yes or no

[Yahoshua]

GODAMMIT, STOP WITH THE PERSONAL ATTACKS ALREADY!!!!

Have I got your attention yet? I sure as hell hope I do.

Debate this civilly or there will be no point in debating at all. I don't give a good goddamn who you are, what you think, or where you came from but the personal attacks will stop NOW.

If you want to continue debating this in a civil manner then we'll keep going with it.

For starters, we'll go with the "Mythbusting" that Skybird posted and move on from there (please post a link and not a book, some peoples' connections can only handle so much at one time).

Would you like me to go down the list and rebut them individually or do you want to pick your argument Skybird?




*Edit:

One point I'd also like to make is that gun laws don't stop criminals from acquiring firearms:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070417/wl_asia_afp/japancrimepolitics;_ylt=AqUGKH8zGCpx6PSpfmX7f8MBxg 8F

[gnirtS]

[quote]

Gun deaths per 100,000 population (for the year indicated):

Homicide Suicide Unintentional

USA 4.08 (1999) 6.08 (1999) 0.42 (1999)

Canada 0.54 (1999) 2.65 (1997) 0.15 (1997)

Switzerland 0.50 (1999) 5.78 (1998) -

Scotland 0.12 (1999) 0.27 (1999) -

England/Wales 0.12 (1999/00) 0.22 (1999) 0.01 (1999)

Japan 0.04* (1998) 0.04 (1995) <0.01 (1997)
Source Philip Alpers, Harvard Injury Control Research Center

so 34 times more likely to get shot and murdered in the USA than the UK, 42 times more likely to get shot and killed by accident in the USA than the UK.

Yes the UK has a rising gun crime problem (21000 incidents of all categories last year, just over 50% of those involving air gun and 15% more imitation firearms) however its still a hell of a lot safer than the USA.
The way to tackle this rise? Far stricter penalties and punishment for anyone caught buying/selling or having a firearm in their possession for starters. 10-15 years mandatory for owning should help.

I cant see why any law abiding citizen would have any need to own a device whose sole purpose for existing is to kill other humans. Further to that, i cant see why any citizen SHOULD be allowed to own such a device.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by Yahoshua

One point I'd also like to make is that gun laws don't stop criminals from acquiring firearms:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070417/wl_asia_afp/japancrimepolitics;_ylt=AqUGKH8zGCpx6PSpfmX7f8MBxg 8F

Very true, but there are certainly fewer gun murders in Japan.
Let's see what the gap was in 2000
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=726110

I'm not bothered looking up more

[Tchocky]

double post

[micky1up]

Originally Posted by Yahoshua

GODAMMIT, STOP WITH THE PERSONAL ATTACKS ALREADY!!!!

Have I got your attention yet? I sure as hell hope I do.

Debate this civilly or there will be no point in debating at all. I don't give a good goddamn who you are, what you think, or where you came from but the personal attacks will stop NOW.

If you want to continue debating this in a civil manner then we'll keep going with it.

For starters, we'll go with the "Mythbusting" that Skybird posted and move on from there (please post a link and not a book, some peoples' connections can only handle so much at one time).

Would you like me to go down the list and rebut them individually or do you want to pick your argument Skybird?




*Edit:

One point I'd also like to make is that gun laws don't stop criminals from acquiring firearms:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070417...SpfmX7f8MBxg8F

and i would like to point out this man wasnt a criminal prior to the event its not hardened criminals doing this

[Takeda Shingen]

As promised, this thread has re-opened. However, if the conversation does not retain civility, it will close again, and permanently.