I am sick of these planes.

FoddaUK · 04-07-07, 06:29 AM

The most annoying thing about the planes is the AI setup. Japanese aircraft come straight for your position time after time, and once they get there they go past by a mile or two and then head back home (if they've not spotted you that is). Almost as if they're being vectored straight at the sub every time.

I'm currently in the Celebes Sea chasing down a reported task force. Every hour or so a flight of aircraft comes from the line of the task force directly towards my sub's position and then back again... I alway have plenty of time to crash dive to 150 feet or so, thanks to radar picking them up early so I know they've not seen me yet, so why do they only fly towards my position?

As for allied aeroplanes, I've watched that Midway battle three times now and I've not seen one plane hit a Japanese ship at all! I thought Midway was supposed to be where the US pounded the Japanese carrier force...

Oh and finally... Lancasters? With stars on? The USA only wished they could have Lancs in 1941!

AVGWarhawk · 04-07-07, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FoddaUK

The most annoying thing about the planes is the AI setup. Japanese aircraft come straight for your position time after time, and once they get there they go past by a mile or two and then head back home (if they've not spotted you that is). Almost as if they're being vectored straight at the sub every time.

I'm currently in the Celebes Sea chasing down a reported task force. Every hour or so a flight of aircraft comes from the line of the task force directly towards my sub's position and then back again... I alway have plenty of time to crash dive to 150 feet or so, thanks to radar picking them up early so I know they've not seen me yet, so why do they only fly towards my position?

As for allied aeroplanes, I've watched that Midway battle three times now and I've not seen one plane hit a Japanese ship at all! I thought Midway was supposed to be where the US pounded the Japanese carrier force...

Oh and finally... Lancasters? With stars on? The USA only wished they could have Lancs in 1941!

This game gets stranger and stranger. I'm on my second patrol in the Celebes Sea and have not encountered one aircraft:hmm:

FoddaUK · 04-07-07, 06:39 AM

16th Feb 1942. Just got in there and had a task force reported to me travelling ESE from the NE of the sea. It's within range so I thought I'd plot an intercept. Only thing is I can tell how far the TF has travelled along its own plot line because of the start and end points of the aircraft flights according to my SD radar.

Looks like a carrier force to me due to the number of flights. Now if only these planes would leave me alone long enough to be able to intercept...

rascal101 · 04-07-07, 05:55 PM

Can any one tell me who's ass you have to kiss to get air search radar, seems in SH4 the US navy was giving away surface seach but keeping airsearch out of the hands of us mere mortal sub captains!

SteamWake · 04-07-07, 09:01 PM

I just ran a mission out of Pearl.

After refuling at Marshal I wasent 20 miles from Marshal when I started getting hassled by dive bombers.

Where they were coming from is a total mystery unless there was a carrier nearby.

LZ_Baker · 04-07-07, 09:07 PM

Even if the amount of air patrols stays the same, something has to be done about them coming stright at you. What I don't understand is this direct vectoring was not a problem in SH3 (as far as I remember, haven't played stock since it came out). Also, as stated before, the bomb loads are way overdone and the big patrol planes go WAY to fast. And the radar, when it acually wants to work, has dead zones.

As for not seeing planes in the Celebes Sea, I has the S-31/Porpoise there in early/mid 42 and I didn't see any aircraft either. They seem to be too busy flying to Midway...

R3D · 04-08-07, 07:50 AM

saw every aircraft in the sky exploding on first contact with jap AA in all the mission scenario's, its like every AC in the game is sugar coated in kerosene.

AA guns are way to accurate under A.I control or just to damn powerful.

aircraft in this game are just modelled so amateurish and not a single improvment to be seen over Sh3.

Blood_splat · 04-08-07, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by R3D

saw every aircraft in the sky exploding on first contact with jap AA in all the mission scenario's, its like every AC in the game is sugar coated in kerosene.

AA guns are way to accurate under A.I control or just to damn powerful.

aircraft in this game are just modelled so amateurish and not a single improvment to be seen over Sh3.

Well I believe Japanese planes didn't have self sealing tanks. But heck the American planes blow up just as bad.

kiwi_2005 · 04-08-07, 08:08 AM

My first two careers with only one patrol for each one not even finished were lost due to aircraft

Florida Sailor · 04-08-07, 10:42 AM

The Jap planes near Midway come from Wake Island. Draw a 1000 mile radius from Wake, stay North of it, and you will see no planes. Same for the coast of Japam, they show up about 1000 miles out.

EAGLE_01 · 07-29-07, 06:10 AM

"Oh and finally... Lancasters? With stars on? The USA only wished they could have Lancs in 1941!"

WTH would we want those when we had the B-17 and the B-25,-24, and-26?:hmm:

04-07-07, 09:07 PM	#6
LZ_Baker Engineer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 213 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	Even if the amount of air patrols stays the same, something has to be done about them coming stright at you. What I don't understand is this direct vectoring was not a problem in SH3 (as far as I remember, haven't played stock since it came out). Also, as stated before, the bomb loads are way overdone and the big patrol planes go WAY to fast. And the radar, when it acually wants to work, has dead zones. As for not seeing planes in the Celebes Sea, I has the S-31/Porpoise there in early/mid 42 and I didn't see any aircraft either. They seem to be too busy flying to Midway... __________________

04-08-07, 08:08 AM	#9
kiwi_2005 Eternal Patrol Join Date: May 2004 Location: Aeoteroa Posts: 7,382 Downloads: 223 Uploads: 1	My first two careers with only one patrol for each one not even finished were lost due to aircraft __________________ RIP kiwi_2005 Those who can't laugh at themselves leave the job to others.

04-08-07, 10:42 AM	#10
Florida Sailor Eternal Patrol Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Seffner, Florida Posts: 81 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Planes Near Midway The Jap planes near Midway come from Wake Island. Draw a 1000 mile radius from Wake, stay North of it, and you will see no planes. Same for the coast of Japam, they show up about 1000 miles out.

04-07-07, 06:29 AM	#1
FoddaUK Mate Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bristol, England Posts: 52 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	The most annoying thing about the planes is the AI setup. Japanese aircraft come straight for your position time after time, and once they get there they go past by a mile or two and then head back home (if they've not spotted you that is). Almost as if they're being vectored straight at the sub every time. I'm currently in the Celebes Sea chasing down a reported task force. Every hour or so a flight of aircraft comes from the line of the task force directly towards my sub's position and then back again... I alway have plenty of time to crash dive to 150 feet or so, thanks to radar picking them up early so I know they've not seen me yet, so why do they only fly towards my position? As for allied aeroplanes, I've watched that Midway battle three times now and I've not seen one plane hit a Japanese ship at all! I thought Midway was supposed to be where the US pounded the Japanese carrier force... Oh and finally... Lancasters? With stars on? The USA only wished they could have Lancs in 1941!

04-07-07, 06:39 AM	#3
FoddaUK Mate Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Bristol, England Posts: 52 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	16th Feb 1942. Just got in there and had a task force reported to me travelling ESE from the NE of the sea. It's within range so I thought I'd plot an intercept. Only thing is I can tell how far the TF has travelled along its own plot line because of the start and end points of the aircraft flights according to my SD radar. Looks like a carrier force to me due to the number of flights. Now if only these planes would leave me alone long enough to be able to intercept...

04-07-07, 05:55 PM	#4
rascal101 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 769 Downloads: 200 Uploads: 0	Can any one tell me who's ass you have to kiss to get air search radar, seems in SH4 the US navy was giving away surface seach but keeping airsearch out of the hands of us mere mortal sub captains!

04-07-07, 09:01 PM	#5
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I just ran a mission out of Pearl. After refuling at Marshal I wasent 20 miles from Marshal when I started getting hassled by dive bombers. Where they were coming from is a total mystery unless there was a carrier nearby.

04-08-07, 07:50 AM	#7
R3D Gunner Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 91 Downloads: 88 Uploads: 0	saw every aircraft in the sky exploding on first contact with jap AA in all the mission scenario's, its like every AC in the game is sugar coated in kerosene. AA guns are way to accurate under A.I control or just to damn powerful. aircraft in this game are just modelled so amateurish and not a single improvment to be seen over Sh3.

07-29-07, 06:10 AM	#11
EAGLE_01 Machinist's Mate Join Date: May 2007 Location: Dayton, OH. Posts: 127 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	"Oh and finally... Lancasters? With stars on? The USA only wished they could have Lancs in 1941!" WTH would we want those when we had the B-17 and the B-25,-24, and-26?:hmm: