So still only 8 km visibilty? - Page 3

Onkel Neal · 03-19-07, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Der Teddy Bar

The visibility fix for SHIII works for SHIV.

Good to know.

nattydread · 03-19-07, 11:17 PM

Hmm, a 8km vis cap is a bit disappointing. I was really hoping to get a thoroughly developed game and not just a prettier re-make of SHIII. When targets begin getting thin late in the war, long range detection will be the only way to make contact at times.

So often I read of subs catching the thin, whispy glimpse of smoke on the horizon with no idea what it was, then spending half the day chasing the smoke down to determine what it is and kill it.

What amazes me is that they coul dset up accurate target solutions from just smoke. They could determine speed, track, range, etc...from just smoke! Granted it took time and periodic data input to get it eventually.

Immacolata · 03-20-07, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Der Teddy Bar

The visibility fix for SHIII works for SHIV.

Unlike SHIII doubling the visibility from 8000 to 16,000 metres does not bring with it a large performance hit. In fact it is almost non existent. On medium quality with the SHIV 8000 metre world I get at 1024 x 768 (windowed) 27 frames per second, with the 16,000 metre world I get 25 frames per second!Of course realistically this would probably be closer to 20,000 metres (10.7 nautical miles).

For 16K change the ZMax value from 1000 to 2000
For 24K change the ZMax value from 1000 to 3000

Note that this is just a player visual tweak and does not make the AI see any further than it currently does. For the AI it will require the sensors.dat and the ai_sensors.dat along with the releveant cfg files to be adjusted.

Sounds good. At least that is one less worry about the game. So you can change this yourself by just editing a file? Which one? I don't have the game but someone else might want to fix it themselves.

P_Funk · 03-20-07, 02:56 AM

I hear the grumblings of a new mod.

DaMaGe007 · 03-20-07, 03:07 AM

They have been touting a 20km (or 20 miles) vis range for sh4 on the forums for some time now, for it to be released with an existing 8km range and metric without imperial is a disgusting display of corporate arogance from UBi. Especially when its rather easy to make it 16km as shown by the mod for sh3.

They should have delayed the game atleast to provide the things they have prommised.

"^#%$ the user, we are UBi$soft!"

Im disapointed in Ubi they really dont seem to care about reputation.

03-20-07, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Immacolata

No AA and now this. Sigh. What is next, they recycled all the sounds from SH3? I think this 8000 meter thing is a big deal to me. It was in SH3. If you cannot spot smoke plumes from far away how are you supposed to see enemy ships when not using that hacker map "gods eye view"?

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Originally Posted by Hyperion2206

You're wrong! A dev said in an interview that was posted on the German Sh4 site that they have 20km visibility.

Screenshot or it didn't happen.

I have a feeling that SH4 recycled most of SH3, except for the new graphics. We'll see soon enough.

Laffertytig · 03-20-07, 07:55 AM

yeah i preordered 2 weeks ago after buyin into to all the hype but ive just cancelled it. i think the last post really sums it up well. SH3 out the box started borin me after just 2 or 3 days, it wasnt until NYGM and grey wolves came along that i got back into it. why oh why couldnt the devs have looked at the what the mod dudes have done and try to incorporate some of the ideas ito SH4 for example this 8km visibility nonsense.

SH4 sounds more of a "game for for casual player" than a "sim for sub fans".
why cant it be both? it seems the selling points are the "hollywood style graphics" and the ability to take part in sea battles. sorry to say but if i wanted that i would just buy battlestations midway or pacific storm or whatever. nowhere in any of the dev videos was any improvements in the AI mentioned. disapointing.

no doubt il get this "game" eventually, il just see what the mod gods come up with first.

so smoke bein modelled over the horizon is so hard to do in 2007, yeah right. maybe if they had spent less time modellin sailors uniforms and facial features (who really cares about that stuff apart from maybe some 10 year olds) it couldve been

Der Teddy Bar · 03-20-07, 05:40 PM

Laffertytig,
It is Ubisoft's management that are to be held accountable for setting and sticking to a ridiculous development schedule and have, without regard for the customer, yet again delivered an unfinished product.

I have the utmost respect and admiration for the developement team of SHIV, especially for how hard they have worked to deliver as much as possible in the rediculous time frame that the Ubisoft management set. They have worked tirelessly to get as much done in the time that they were given.

I have to add, when will publisher's learn that they will continue to loose customers in droves if they continue to deliver games that are still alpha/beta and/or shallow content.

The way I see it is that the PC game market is not hemorrhaging into the console market, I see the PC game market just hemorrhaging into the gutter and being lost.

It is time for the publishers to start being a customer service industry again instead of a stock holder focused entity.

LukeFF · 03-20-07, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Der Teddy Bar

It is time for the publishers to start being a customer service industry again instead of a stock holder focused entity.

Yep, publishers like that are a rare breed. Battlefront is one of the few publishers of war games out there that takes quality and customer service seriously. Just look how long they've held back the release of Theatre of War, adding in new features and correcting mistakes and bugs! As such, they have a large and loyal fan base.

If publishers like Ubi are to regain the trust of their customers, they should start by looking at the way Battlefront conducts their business.

renaissanceman · 03-20-07, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Der Teddy Bar

Laffertytig,
It is Ubisoft's management that are to be held accountable for setting and sticking to a ridiculous development schedule and have, without regard for the customer, yet again delivered an unfinished product.

I have the utmost respect and admiration for the developement team of SHIV, especially for how hard they have worked to deliver as much as possible in the rediculous time frame that the Ubisoft management set. They have worked tirelessly to get as much done in the time that they were given.

I have to add, when will publisher's learn that they will continue to loose customers in droves if they continue to deliver games that are still alpha/beta and/or shallow content.

The way I see it is that the PC game market is not hemorrhaging into the console market, I see the PC game market just hemorrhaging into the gutter and being lost.

It is time for the publishers to start being a customer service industry again instead of a stock holder focused entity.

Roger that DTB! And welcome back!

Seeadler · 03-20-07, 06:13 PM

I have extracted the cloud dome from stock version SHIV and SHIII, both are at the same size. But this is not an indicator that ingame it's the same size, the model can be scaled up by code

malkuth74 · 03-20-07, 06:29 PM

You know the ultimate test. Go to the English channel and see if the docks etc are still built from the old SHIII camp. That would be very interesting.

Steeltrap · 03-20-07, 06:33 PM

This is an extract from something I posted in another thread. Seems appropriate, at least to me:

It's a simple fact that society's obsession with making as much $$ as possible is an inevitable enemy of really high quality work, unless the nature of the work demands that level of quality to make ANY $$ (e.g. building aircraft is a good example!). So we shouldn't be surprised that things get done half-arsed, as most of us would find that's the case in 99% of enterprises around the world, including where most of us work.

UBI is French, no?

All I can say is.....

MERDE

Immacolata · 03-21-07, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DaMaGe007

Im disapointed in Ubi they really dont seem to care about reputation.

They want to beat EA. They think that by being sufficient evil they will beat EA in their own game. Maybe they forget that EA releases some of the most well tested and bugfree pc games. Start with that Ubi, you already have the corporate greed/evil theme in place.

Back to the topic:

How do I increase my horizon?

Dowly · 03-21-07, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Immacolata

How do I increase my horizon?

BUMP!

03-20-07, 02:56 AM	#34
P_Funk Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Canada, eh? Posts: 2,537 Downloads: 129 Uploads: 0	I hear the grumblings of a new mod. __________________

03-20-07, 06:29 PM	#42
malkuth74 Sonar Guy Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 377 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	You know the ultimate test. Go to the English channel and see if the docks etc are still built from the old SHIII camp. That would be very interesting. __________________

03-19-07, 11:17 PM	#32
nattydread Captain Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 498 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Hmm, a 8km vis cap is a bit disappointing. I was really hoping to get a thoroughly developed game and not just a prettier re-make of SHIII. When targets begin getting thin late in the war, long range detection will be the only way to make contact at times. So often I read of subs catching the thin, whispy glimpse of smoke on the horizon with no idea what it was, then spending half the day chasing the smoke down to determine what it is and kill it. What amazes me is that they coul dset up accurate target solutions from just smoke. They could determine speed, track, range, etc...from just smoke! Granted it took time and periodic data input to get it eventually.

03-20-07, 03:07 AM	#35
DaMaGe007 Watch Officer Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 338 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	They have been touting a 20km (or 20 miles) vis range for sh4 on the forums for some time now, for it to be released with an existing 8km range and metric without imperial is a disgusting display of corporate arogance from UBi. Especially when its rather easy to make it 16km as shown by the mod for sh3. They should have delayed the game atleast to provide the things they have prommised. "^#%$ the user, we are UBi$soft!" Im disapointed in Ubi they really dont seem to care about reputation.

03-20-07, 07:55 AM	#37
Laffertytig Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 757 Downloads: 110 Uploads: 0	yeah i preordered 2 weeks ago after buyin into to all the hype but ive just cancelled it. i think the last post really sums it up well. SH3 out the box started borin me after just 2 or 3 days, it wasnt until NYGM and grey wolves came along that i got back into it. why oh why couldnt the devs have looked at the what the mod dudes have done and try to incorporate some of the ideas ito SH4 for example this 8km visibility nonsense. SH4 sounds more of a "game for for casual player" than a "sim for sub fans". why cant it be both? it seems the selling points are the "hollywood style graphics" and the ability to take part in sea battles. sorry to say but if i wanted that i would just buy battlestations midway or pacific storm or whatever. nowhere in any of the dev videos was any improvements in the AI mentioned. disapointing. no doubt il get this "game" eventually, il just see what the mod gods come up with first. so smoke bein modelled over the horizon is so hard to do in 2007, yeah right. maybe if they had spent less time modellin sailors uniforms and facial features (who really cares about that stuff apart from maybe some 10 year olds) it couldve been

03-20-07, 05:40 PM	#38
Der Teddy Bar Blade Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,388 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Laffertytig, It is Ubisoft's management that are to be held accountable for setting and sticking to a ridiculous development schedule and have, without regard for the customer, yet again delivered an unfinished product. I have the utmost respect and admiration for the developement team of SHIV, especially for how hard they have worked to deliver as much as possible in the rediculous time frame that the Ubisoft management set. They have worked tirelessly to get as much done in the time that they were given. I have to add, when will publisher's learn that they will continue to loose customers in droves if they continue to deliver games that are still alpha/beta and/or shallow content. The way I see it is that the PC game market is not hemorrhaging into the console market, I see the PC game market just hemorrhaging into the gutter and being lost. It is time for the publishers to start being a customer service industry again instead of a stock holder focused entity.

03-20-07, 06:13 PM	#41
Seeadler Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 1,096 Downloads: 169 Uploads: 0	I have extracted the cloud dome from stock version SHIV and SHIII, both are at the same size. But this is not an indicator that ingame it's the same size, the model can be scaled up by code

03-20-07, 06:33 PM	#43
Steeltrap Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 818 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	This is an extract from something I posted in another thread. Seems appropriate, at least to me: It's a simple fact that society's obsession with making as much $$ as possible is an inevitable enemy of really high quality work, unless the nature of the work demands that level of quality to make ANY $$ (e.g. building aircraft is a good example!). So we shouldn't be surprised that things get done half-arsed, as most of us would find that's the case in 99% of enterprises around the world, including where most of us work. UBI is French, no? All I can say is..... MERDE