Tired of the negativity, reality check time

[SteamWake]

Good post but......

Unfortunatly this "attitude" is nothing new.

I have seen it at the release of virtually every new title including SH3. The forums for the game "Oblivion" were a rioutus affair with at least a dozen locks a day. It took them nearly 6 months to calm down.

For some reason or another some people get some sort of gratification out of being negative and attempting to raise a few hackles. In some ways its a reflection on current culture as a whole. It is after all the "me" generation.

I think with all things considered the general community here at SubSim are a much more level headed group.

My advice when reading any thread is to consider the source.

[hmatthias]

Well, the "quality" attitude is changing a bit in business enterprise software, so we can only hope it carries over into gaming software. Unfortunatly, the Silent Hunter series really has no direct competition, so that makes it hard for a company to get motivated to do extensive testing. Testing = time that the game is not on the shelves, being bought...

[AVGWarhawk]

The point is other games and not just the SH series have had issues and need patches. Modders corrected and created things. I have no worries here at all. Not after what I have seen the modders do in SH3. These guys absolutely rock and I believe these guys will make this game rock just as hard if not harder than SH3. Once they dig into books and films that overwhelming desire to correct the game and make it as real as it gets....these guys got it. I'm grabbing my copy tomorrow and sailing the Pacific. After that, I head to the mod forum and see what the fellas have brewing

[ACSoft]

Never forget that in this consumer world, all is ruled by the market laws and like in democracy, the ultime power belong to you, the customer.

Somebody already said that nobody of us would accept to buy a car and have to wait 6 months or more, until to be able to use it, as it was expected from the publicity. A car factory who would act this way, would disappear very soon. Why it is not the case with the PC game industry ? I set the question.

The same PC games companies, when they develop a console game, cannot act this way, because there is actually no possibility to update the game. So they must do something which is reliable and fully finished. This prove they can do it if they will or have to !!!

To my view, to publish unfinished buggy games is not admissible and therefore, I am always sad to see, on forums like this, when unhappy customers express their anger, that often, the community start to fire them. For me, negative expression, as long as it is written without injurious words is totally legitime, even if it may be not pleasant to read for some of you. It deserve the thruth, because, when a newcomer will read the forum, it will get a picture which really reflect the average feeling of the game users.

OK, we are in a free world and nobody need to think like me. Peoples can found normal that a game they buy are just unfinished and buggy. Then, can found normal then, to not really play with the game, but to have paid for being a free beta tester. Then, when the last official patch is finally issued, they will still wait until a freeware Mods like GWX come out and, at last, start to just play and enjoy the game. Most probably in a time the game start to be obsolete !!! In a time they are already waiting anxiously for the next version.

Personnaly, I would prefer that the magic AND UNIQUE time of discovering a new game, would be directly with a very achieved and solid product, who would need a patch only in rare occasions, maybe just to solve a very specific unexpected technical problem, some unfortunate customers have reveiled. For me, a company who publish a game which they perfectly know is unachieved and buggy is cynical and do not respect you. You are just considered good to be "sheared like sheeps".

If you have to wait more to get the game, for me, no problem, I would prefer to wait and have the joy of the discovery, not killed by numerous flaws & bugs. I would be even be ready to pay such a game a bit more higher price.

So, please, do not dissuade peoples who just express their personnal feeling about the game, even if it is negative or even if they fire the publisher. And understand me well, I say the publisher NOT the dev team !

Sorry, Neal, but criticals cannot all the time be constructive. As long as their are not insults and written without injurious words, you should admit them. I find also sad that you open a thread "Bugs report for SH4", even before the game is out !!! For me, this is the greatest victory for those cynical publishers, because it mean now, it is normal that a PC game come on the market unfinished and buggy.

Remember, the final power belong TO YOU the customer. Only YOU can make this change. Think about the joy it would be to play FOR THE FIRST TIME with a game like SH3+GWX.

Oh, one last question. Do you find normal that the publisher get all your money and the Mods developers nothing ? Isn't that an up side down world ?

Regards,

ACS

[Aimbot]

I actually kind of like bugs. Not having them, but seeing a game go through the patching progress kind of makes you appreciate the game more when you've got the final version. Also many modding communities are formed by people hoping to eliminate bugs, and it's how they begin to get familiar with the game.

Originally Posted by SteamWake

I have seen it at the release of virtually every new title including SH3. The forums for the game "Oblivion" were a rioutus affair with at least a dozen locks a day. It took them nearly 6 months to calm down.

I was there. At one point I was called a fanboy because I said punching Todd Howard (the creator od TES and a producer) in the face would be an extreme raction. In all fairness, the guy might have been joking, but with the way people were acting...


I thought Oblivion was a fine game, to have it said, even if it was a little shorter lived than Morrowind.

Also, am I the only one here that actually plays console games? The majority of them have bugs, even the occasional show stopper. Super Swing Golf froze up on me just the other day. Even though they publish for a standardized console that doesn't change between users they still have problems. One of the reasons I love Nintendo is that they are the only console publisher ever that I've never seen a bug from. Hell, my cousin's PS3 more or less exploded less than a month ago, and even Sony couldn't tell him why.
And to use the car analogy: My Mini Cooper, new, had a problem with the power windows that was common to the car. The windows fit into the car so tightly the motor could barely raise them and with a nasty scraping sound. There were scratches on the windows it was so tight. The dealership knew what it was and had it fixed in less than a day. It was a common problem.