Sub AI

Rilex · 03-04-07, 01:54 PM

I've played a couple of missions included in GWX that have wolf packs. The other subs are as dumb as a rock! They'll fire AA and deck guns on other ships only to stay surfaced the entire time until destroyed.

Are there any fixes for the AI?

Kpt. Kozloff · 03-04-07, 01:58 PM

I recon that wolfpack you've encountered was drunk as a skunk! Did this happen at the equator by any chance?

P.s. Sorry, couldn't resist.

Hartmann · 03-04-07, 02:25 PM

Perhaps could be better that IA subs stay dived during attack , if not they are a sitting duck.

wolpacks are nice for inmersion but it takes away the surprise factor in your attack. the convoy is in high alert could be difficult do the first aproach undetected.

bigboywooly · 03-04-07, 04:57 PM

The AI subs are either surafced or submerged
They cant do both

Submerged they do nothing
Surfaced they fire

AI torpedo work still continues
Until then

Iron Budokan · 03-04-07, 05:15 PM

I didn't know the AI subs were sometimes submerged. I thought they were only surfaced. Even if they can't do both that's kinda cool!

Jimbuna · 03-04-07, 05:35 PM

Quote:

The AI subs are either surafced or submerged
They cant do both

However, the surfaced ones will submerge when they sink

:rotfl:

Kpt. Kozloff · 03-04-07, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Quote:

The AI subs are either surafced or submerged
They cant do both

However, the surfaced ones will submerge when they sink

:rotfl:

Scary that so many wartime u-boats (except those couple) had uneven balance of surfacings to dives.

The eternal submerge karma, i guess...

Linavitch · 03-04-07, 06:19 PM

A couple of times I have spotted U-Boats around convoys cruising at periscope depth with their scopes out the water totally unmolested whilst i am pinged and DC'ed at 200m and silent.

I think I'm been picked on!

Rykaird · 03-04-07, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linavitch

A couple of times I have spotted U-Boats around convoys cruising at periscope depth with their scopes out the water totally unmolested whilst i am pinged and DC'ed at 200m and silent.

I think I'm been picked on!

Maybe it's all those torpedoes you've stuck into their backsides that's making them grumpy . . .

Mush Martin · 03-04-07, 11:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

The AI subs are either surafced or submerged
They cant do both

Submerged they do nothing
Surfaced they fire

AI torpedo work still continues
Until then

Dont all player subs work as AI subs if you dont select
human playable in Mission Ed,?
I havent looked at it close but I couldnt see the point
of the option without it.

High Voltage · 03-05-07, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Quote:

The AI subs are either surafced or submerged
They cant do both

However, the surfaced ones will submerge when they sink

:rotfl:

Hey, that's my strategy!!!

Brag · 03-05-07, 07:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linavitch

A couple of times I have spotted U-Boats around convoys cruising at periscope depth with their scopes out the water totally unmolested whilst i am pinged and DC'ed at 200m and silent.

I think I'm been picked on!

Do you have a secret yen to be liked by the Tommies?

bigboywooly · 03-05-07, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mush Martin

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigboywooly

The AI subs are either surafced or submerged
They cant do both

Submerged they do nothing
Surfaced they fire

AI torpedo work still continues
Until then

Dont all player subs work as AI subs if you dont select
human playable in Mission Ed,?
I havent looked at it close but I couldnt see the point
of the option without it.

Nope
If you add a player sub into the game as a general scripted unit you will end up with all sorts of problems with your boat conflicting and can even CTD
Not recommended

Mush Martin · 03-05-07, 12:38 PM

Thanks for the tip BBW

JU_88 · 03-05-07, 05:37 PM

I still cant get over the fact that dispite how great SH3 was and SHIV will be, the devs just couldnt manage to script some basic AI patterns for submarines... In a submarine simulator of all things. Im no programmer, but if we strip a submarines desired behavior down to its bare bones, it would be simple case of.

Sub detects enermy ship = sub dives to 15 meters
Sub loses contact with ship = sub surfaces
When ship is within 1.5.km + between 350-10 degrees of bow = shoot torpeedo.

Wow - that piece of rocket science

is not full submarine AI by a long shot, but it would be a vast improvement over what SH3 and 4 currently have in place.... which is of course NOTHING.

03-04-07, 01:54 PM	#1
Rilex Sailor man Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 43 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Sub AI I've played a couple of missions included in GWX that have wolf packs. The other subs are as dumb as a rock! They'll fire AA and deck guns on other ships only to stay surfaced the entire time until destroyed. Are there any fixes for the AI?

03-04-07, 01:58 PM	#2
Kpt. Kozloff Frogman Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Jersey - Channel Islands, UK Posts: 305 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	I recon that wolfpack you've encountered was drunk as a skunk! Did this happen at the equator by any chance? P.s. Sorry, couldn't resist. __________________ GWX1.03/Cmdr2.7/plus all sorts of tweaks

03-04-07, 02:25 PM	#3
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Perhaps could be better that IA subs stay dived during attack , if not they are a sitting duck. wolpacks are nice for inmersion but it takes away the surprise factor in your attack. the convoy is in high alert could be difficult do the first aproach undetected. __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

03-04-07, 04:57 PM	#4
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	The AI subs are either surafced or submerged They cant do both Submerged they do nothing Surfaced they fire AI torpedo work still continues Until then __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

03-04-07, 05:15 PM	#5
Iron Budokan Sea Lord Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,778 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	I didn't know the AI subs were sometimes submerged. I thought they were only surfaced. Even if they can't do both that's kinda cool! __________________ "You will take on England wherever you find her ships, and you will break her power at sea." --Iron Coffins, Herbert A. Werner http://kennethmarkhoover.com

03-04-07, 06:19 PM	#8
Linavitch Officer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Hull Posts: 239 Downloads: 170 Uploads: 0	A couple of times I have spotted U-Boats around convoys cruising at periscope depth with their scopes out the water totally unmolested whilst i am pinged and DC'ed at 200m and silent. I think I'm been picked on!

03-05-07, 12:38 PM	#14
Mush Martin Eternal Patrol Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,398 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Thanks for the tip BBW __________________ RIP Mush Tutorial

03-05-07, 05:37 PM	#15
JU_88 Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK Posts: 3,803 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I still cant get over the fact that dispite how great SH3 was and SHIV will be, the devs just couldnt manage to script some basic AI patterns for submarines... In a submarine simulator of all things. Im no programmer, but if we strip a submarines desired behavior down to its bare bones, it would be simple case of. Sub detects enermy ship = sub dives to 15 meters Sub loses contact with ship = sub surfaces When ship is within 1.5.km + between 350-10 degrees of bow = shoot torpeedo. Wow - that piece of rocket science is not full submarine AI by a long shot, but it would be a vast improvement over what SH3 and 4 currently have in place.... which is of course NOTHING.