LuftWolf and Amizaur's Weapons and Sensors Database Mod v3.072 --- Now Available!!!

[Dr.Sid]

I guess, since it is not here, it is not out. But I'll be glad to be wrong

[Bellman]

Kilo SA NB ctc Bug Patch 1.04.

SAS: Patch 1.04 Readme - '' Corrected an issue in which the Kilo was capable of creating Sonar contacts at excessively long ranges.''

Note the use of the word ''excessive'' - this bug/fault was not eliminated and is still present at 'acceptable' ranges up to 20 nm as tested today in a separate install of Stock 1.04.

This would suggest that any SA sonar adjustments have intensified the fault within LwAmi. This means that contacts can be readily identified, if not marked, with increasing difficulty from 20 nm - 65+ nm.

[LuftWolf]

LWAMI 3.08 will be available either today (Sunday), Monday, or Tuesday.

Sorry for the excessively large window of uncertainty... lots going on.

Cheers,
David

[Bellman]

Great news David.

I dont want to be a 'party-pooper' and its nothing that cant be tweaked but as requested, with time permitting, testing has continued.

I must regretably withdraw my earlier remark - ''The good news for me is after testing SW v Ak I am content that the previous balance of sonar performances has been maintained in this mod.''

I am a SW diver (mainly) so have taken a closer look at the sonar changes. I was lead to believe that it was mainly the SA that had been 'adjusted. However I have found significant changes to the relative performances of the SW and Ak TAs in the mod.

Under identical Test conditions and using separate installs of Stock 1.04 and LwAmi
3.072 I found the following maxima with TA NB marking(***):

Stock SW - 47.9 nm. marked and 65.7 nm unmarked (***) with difficulty
StocK AK 1 - 38.8 nm. marked
LwAmi SW - 33.3 nm. marked.
LwAmi AK 1 - 37 nm. marked.

An equivalence of performance for the LwAmi SW and AK TA NBs swings the balance towards the AK. But I leave others to judge.

[LuftWolf]

A lot goes into those detections other than the sonar sensitivity, namely the platform noise levels and thrust sound vs. speed curves, which are very different in the modded and unmodded versions.

The relative sonar strength between the TB-29 and the Pelamida have not been changed at all from stock DW, mainly because there is no gameplay reason to do so, nor any real world data suggesting this change be made. To be clear, the TB-29 is MUCH more sensitive (by a factor of 2/3) than the Pelamida.

Taken as a balance, the SW has a massive advantage over the Akula in terms of detectibility in actual tactical situations, mostly because of the fact that it's maximum tactical speed is more than double that of the Akula, and it manages to be quieter at that speed than Akulas at their tactical speed.

Cheers,
David

PS I assume your SSP is a convergence zone for these tests, in which case the ranges aren't really useful information, because you are getting them all on a bounce... all those contacts will eventually fade as they become closer (in theory) as those ranges HUGE.

Conducting sim-level evaluations of sonar performance in a convergence zone SSP is basically a waste of time, unless you are testing convergence zone SSP's specifically for their impact on sonar performance.

[LuftWolf]

BTW, what is the point of bringing up stuff I changed years (!) ago? :hmm:

You can PM me any questions you have, that might be a better way to go, since I'm not really clear what I'm supposed to read as a "problem", what is a question, and what is merely observation... and I'm sure I'm not the only one confused.

Trust me, if I am aware of a problem, I'll be the first one to tell everyone about it.

Cheers,
David

[Bellman]

No not a convergence zone - surface ducts may account for some maximums but not the general run.

Anyways - ''for others to judge'' - I'm done as times run out.

Good luck.