Meters or Yards??

[AS]

@ Sailor Steve: ...and now it´s a very embarrassing moment for me - I still thought that it meant how deep they were Well, strangely enough the German title of Jules Verne´s novel is "20.000 Meilen (miles) unter dem Meer (under the sea) which is highly ambigious. I thought Jules Verne believed one could go that deep since he couldn´t have known that the deepest part of the sea is "only" about 14 km (which is less than 8 miles approx.)

You live, you learn....

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Here were taught two different measurement systems. English and Metric. Truth of the matter is we use both systems, depending on what we're doing. Anyway, I think people from Europe can just as easly adapt to a depth gauge in feet, just as easily as ive had to adapt to a depth gauge in meters. We switch back and forth between the two systems over here daily

I've always prefered the Imperial system when using depth control in sims like Sub Command or Dangerous Waters. The foot is a smaller degree of measurement than the meter, and, as such, allows for greater prescision in depth, and more importantly, sounding.

[Chaotic42]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Here's something most folks don't think about: There are metric tons (tonnes) and standard tons (2000 pounds), but ships' displacements are measured in long tons (2240 pounds). This is why some early British systems (such as guns) are also measured in hundredweights. One hundredweight is 112 pounds, or 1/20th of a long ton.

Thanks a lot, England! :p

[Sailor Steve]

WOW! You learn something new every day. While looking in The American Practical Navigator for info for the 8km vs 16km thread, I found that nautical miles are actually METRIC!:rotfl:

I always thought of a nautical mile as being 6080 feet, versus a statute (land) mile of 5280 feet. Turns out a nautical mile is actually kinda sorta 6076.11549 feet. It seems that way back in 1929 the International Hydrographic Bureau standardized the International Nautical Mile at exactly 1852 meters! And the United States officially standardized the yard at 0.9144 meters in 1959.

Who'd a thunk it?!

[hyperion2206]

Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

That's what I read it as, too. I was like, "Holy ****, to manage to climb up there and hold onto the thing!":rotfl:.

I noticed from the in-game movie that the navigation map sports co-ordinates now, though. That's good.

You won't believe it but it was done and I even found a pic to prove I'm right. Sorry for the bad quality, I had to scan it.

Here it is:

[DaMaGe007]

I dont think the smaller degree should make a difference, since they could use a decimal point ie 1.2m 1.3m...but they usually dont allow for it.

I dont usually find myself craving for a more acurate depth than Surfaced, Persicope, or DIVE DIVE DIVE !!!!

[Elder-Pirate]

Originally Posted by elanaiba

Care to shed more info on this? Or point me to the right direction?

Re: the original thread.

I think you guys should see this as an interesting challenge, and the flavor of us subs. They measured this and that in the imperial system in RL, so you should accept it too. Are we simulating the US Silent Service or not?

Besides, if both instruments, available data and maps are measured the same way, it shouldn't be a problem.

Did all of you miss this post from a SH 4 Dev ????

You CAN count on "Imperial System Measure".

Also no one answered his leading question as I'd also like to see an answer.


btw his post was #15 of this thread.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by DaMaGe007

I dont think the smaller degree should make a difference, since they could use a decimal point ie 1.2m 1.3m...but they usually dont allow for it.

I dont usually find myself craving for a more acurate depth than Surfaced, Persicope, or DIVE DIVE DIVE !!!!

On the contrary, I have been frusturated numerous times in SH3 and DW when using meters to correct for sea state at PD. I can remember repeatedly wishing that I had my 'feet' back, so that I could adjust fractionally.

[irish1958]

If God had wanted meters to be used, He wouldn't have given everyone two feet.

[hyperion2206]

Originally Posted by irish1958

If God had wanted meters to be used, He wouldn't have given everyone two feet.

As an atheist I have to use the metric system then.:p

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by hyperion2206

As an atheist I have to use the metric system then.:p

Does that mean you have 3.2808 feet? Cool!

[hyperion2206]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Does that mean you have 3.2808 feet? Cool!

Yes, I've got an extra foot just for the case that one gets stuck when I kick @ss!:p

[Fat Bhoy Tim]

Originally Posted by elanaiba

I like the imperial system, in some ways it makes more sense.

1 yard = 3 feet (depth and heights are measured in feet)
1 NM ~ 2000 yards

Etc...

But those aren't exact which is why imperial was, and is, such a pain to use. Luckily I can use both quite easily.

[nimitstexan]

Originally Posted by Frateloder

[Almost all mechanics and technicians have a set of metric tools along with english tools.... and our military has gone almost completely metric (they don't even use miles anymore).

The US Army, yes (and they have been since WW2, I think), but the Navy and us flyboys are still quire happy with knots and feet, thank you very much . . .

I for one hope we never change because (a) just because France and Germany do something does not mean its better or that we have to do it either; and (b) all of our history is in miles and feet (if that makes any sense), so that if we were to switch future generations would have even more trouble appreciating our past than they do now.

[dlpayer]

Its not an issue of which system is "right" or "convienient", its an issue of which system was historically used. If one insists on a hight degree of realism in this sim, then its obvious which system to use.