Reverse Tactics

Brag · 01-28-07, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Corsair

Sorry can't help, am also a proud member of the "not past 43" club...

In fact just finished one of my shortest ones as my sub was lost with all hands on Jan 25 1940 (in real life yesterday, which comes handy as I had to install anyway the last 2.4 NYGM version) After a convoy attack, got too impatient to come back and finish a large merchant, was spotted by escorts, had to dive deep to escape and forgot my hull had been earlier damaged by airplanes... crushed at 140 m...

So it's back to Sept 39 with the new version installed.

Corsair, you succumbed to "target greed" and lack of patience

. Better luck in your next career.

Kruger · 01-28-07, 09:43 AM

Avoid the planes. Attack only submerged, even the lonely merchants, or try hitting them first with the dack gun, but only from great distances. In the case of convoys, avoid being detected by the escorts. Try to position yourself between the columns if possible, and launch bow and stern torpedos at the same time, against 3 merchants, at least cripple their engines. Then..dive. Dive deep...I allways go 200, 220 metres (if my hull is intact) and silent. Pray. Use your

Jimbuna · 01-28-07, 10:22 AM

Never do whatever got you killed in the past!!

Morts · 01-28-07, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Never do whatever got you killed in the past!!

spot on !

:rotfl:

Puster Bill · 01-28-07, 11:05 AM

The only real advice I can give you is to get a schnorkel as early as you can, and use it religiously.

It limits your vision and sonar ranges, and your speed. On the plus side, it also limits the ability for a plane or a destroyer to get a radar return on you, especially in bad weather.

Don't worry about tonnage. Worry about survival. Usually, you will get the opportunity to nail something in a convoy, but don't stick around. Fire from longer range, then go silent and deep. With some skill and some luck, you will be able to avoid the escorts.

Individual ships still sail, so those are easier to get. Don't try a surface attack, as they almost all have guns at this point. If you *ARE* surfaced, haul ahead of them before you are spotted, then submerge and wait for them to come to you.

Using these tactics, with a career started in January of 1943 I managed to last until December 1944, sailing out of Bergen in a Type VIIC. I was hoping to get a Type XXI, but there is no way you can get the 30,000 renown required, starting that late in the war.

I ended up getting hounded to death by Destroyer Escorts in fairly shallow water (100 meters deep). Should have known better, but I got fatally greedy.

Hartmann · 01-28-07, 12:51 PM

The best way to survive is get a XXI boat past spring/ summer of 1944.
i´m not arrived yet, but i would change start dates of XXI if i can.

Perhaps not very real or historical, but it´s a new game with new tactics and very challenge.

Corsair · 01-28-07, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kruger

Avoid the planes. Attack only submerged, even the lonely merchants, or try hitting them first with the dack gun, but only from great distances. In the case of convoys, avoid being detected by the escorts. Try to position yourself between the columns if possible, and launch bow and stern torpedos at the same time, against 3 merchants, at least cripple their engines. Then..dive. Dive deep...I allways go 200, 220 metres (if my hull is intact) and silent. Pray. Use your

I usually avoid planes, this time it was sunrise, had to surface a few minutes for my sun fix ( I use manual navigation ) and thought I was far enough from land... a couple hurricanes strafed the boat no big damage but probably some loss of hull integrity.
This time I had made a submerged attack, sunk 1 troop transport and slowed down one large merchant. Got away undetected. Wanted to come back finish the merchant (greedy...) which was trailing behind. As daybreak was coming nearer, I made the mistake to come too close at high speed, got visually spotted and 3 escorts on me.

bigboywooly · 01-28-07, 02:17 PM

If you have to surface late war do it in the daylight
Your crew stand more chance of spotting aircraft in the light
Surface at night and they will be on you in a flash
The snorkel is a must also

@Hartmann
Even having a XXI is no guarantee of survival

01JUL44 - 02JUL44 (2 days)4 (0/4)5490 (0/5490)U-Boat damaged (H.I. 72.47%)
07AUG44 - 09AUG44 (3 days)7 (0/7)31665 (0/31665)U-Boat damaged (H.I. 46.71%)

01-28-07, 10:22 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,615 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Never do whatever got you killed in the past!! __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

01-28-07, 11:05 AM	#5
Puster Bill Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2006 Location: BA8758, or FN33eh for my fellow hams. Posts: 833 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The only real advice I can give you is to get a schnorkel as early as you can, and use it religiously. It limits your vision and sonar ranges, and your speed. On the plus side, it also limits the ability for a plane or a destroyer to get a radar return on you, especially in bad weather. Don't worry about tonnage. Worry about survival. Usually, you will get the opportunity to nail something in a convoy, but don't stick around. Fire from longer range, then go silent and deep. With some skill and some luck, you will be able to avoid the escorts. Individual ships still sail, so those are easier to get. Don't try a surface attack, as they almost all have guns at this point. If you ARE surfaced, haul ahead of them before you are spotted, then submerge and wait for them to come to you. Using these tactics, with a career started in January of 1943 I managed to last until December 1944, sailing out of Bergen in a Type VIIC. I was hoping to get a Type XXI, but there is no way you can get the 30,000 renown required, starting that late in the war. I ended up getting hounded to death by Destroyer Escorts in fairly shallow water (100 meters deep). Should have known better, but I got fatally greedy. __________________ The U-Boat Commander of Love

01-28-07, 12:51 PM	#6
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	The best way to survive is get a XXI boat past spring/ summer of 1944. i´m not arrived yet, but i would change start dates of XXI if i can. Perhaps not very real or historical, but it´s a new game with new tactics and very challenge. __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

01-28-07, 02:17 PM	#8
bigboywooly Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Swindon, England Posts: 10,151 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	If you have to surface late war do it in the daylight Your crew stand more chance of spotting aircraft in the light Surface at night and they will be on you in a flash The snorkel is a must also @Hartmann Even having a XXI is no guarantee of survival 01JUL44 - 02JUL44 (2 days)4 (0/4)5490 (0/5490)U-Boat damaged (H.I. 72.47%) 07AUG44 - 09AUG44 (3 days)7 (0/7)31665 (0/31665)U-Boat damaged (H.I. 46.71%) __________________ My mediafire page http://www.mediafire.com/?11eoq19bq9r41

01-28-07, 09:43 AM	#2
Kruger Commander Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 476 Downloads: 21 Uploads: 0	Avoid the planes. Attack only submerged, even the lonely merchants, or try hitting them first with the dack gun, but only from great distances. In the case of convoys, avoid being detected by the escorts. Try to position yourself between the columns if possible, and launch bow and stern torpedos at the same time, against 3 merchants, at least cripple their engines. Then..dive. Dive deep...I allways go 200, 220 metres (if my hull is intact) and silent. Pray. Use your