Crash - Fast dive change?

danurve · 01-02-07, 11:56 AM

Any way to change the crash/emergency dive value in meters?

Im not sure I agree with the games default value/depth. Im thinking a fast dive should be 20-25 meters. Seeing as how the primary guage is maxed at 25 and I may not want to be bothered with having to adjust it after the order.
If I want to more depth how about that's my choice :hmm:

Subject to attitude change via depth charges

Sailor Steve · 01-02-07, 11:59 AM

Real life normal dive: The boat is flooded slightly negative and takes a while to dive.

Real life crash dive: All tanks are fully flooded except the aft trim tank, which is drained forward to get the nose pointed down. Blowing out the tanks again will make the boat rise, so they have to be pumped back to neutral trim.

The whole point is to get the boat as deep as possible as quickly as possible. 70 meters is about right.

Mooncatt · 01-02-07, 12:01 PM

seconded. its right

AVGWarhawk · 01-02-07, 12:07 PM

Right now I have my boat set to auto dive to perscope depth if a plane shows up. So the boat is already in motion to dive. I then click the depth I want. Sucks but this is the only way I know how to do it.

Sailor Steve · 01-02-07, 12:09 PM

Oh, you can hit "Crash Dive" and then as soon as the boat starts down set it for whatever depth you want. Some have complained about the "crash dive bug" doing that, but personally I never had any problems.

danlisa · 01-02-07, 12:12 PM

Someone will have to help me with the actual file name but (IIRC) you can change the default crash depth in the cfg file which also governs the storm conditions for your flak/deck gun. I can't for the life of me remember what it's called atm.

Edit - found the file path - ...\SilentHunterIII\data\Submarine\NSS_Uboatxx\NSS_Uboatxx.cfg

You'll need to change the crash depth setting for your current boat. (be safe, in port, SH3Cmdr rollback etc)

AS · 01-02-07, 12:14 PM

You can open the cfg file in your SH3/data/submarine/"your preferred U-Boat type" folder (e.g. with Notepad or Editor) and change the crash depth (it is preset at 70m (stock SH3) respectively 76m (GWX).

Personally I´ve changed it to 160m, the reason is simple: I can always stop a crash dive and order "normal" diving, BUT I cannot get my men to dive FAST once the crash dive is over, which is highly unrealistic and problematic. Try diving deeper at 3 kt: it takes several minutes (!) just to gain some more metres. This is why I alwayws wanted this:

I WANT FULL BALLAST TANK AND DIVE PLANE CONTROL!!!

Cheers, AS

Hartmann · 01-02-07, 01:27 PM

But crash dive at 160 meters could be a problem in shallow waters.
also some people has the "crash dive blues" problem

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ash+dive+blues

I don´t kwow what was the most used crash dive depth, but i think that 20-30 meters is a good setting.

AS · 01-02-07, 01:37 PM

@Hartmann: the set depth value doesn´t really effect shallow water, because you can crash dive and when diving order periscope depth (or whatever depth) and so you have the fast diving time while avoiding hitting the ground.

In real life crash dive depth depended on the situation. When surprised by a destroyer they went very deep at once, when surprised by
a plane they usually went to 40 or 60m.

The problem I mentioned is that only crash diving gives you fast diving. If you set your crash dive to 30m but there´s a destroyer coming your way, you won´t have any chance to get deeper in the short time remaining.
Just try it out.

Cheers, AS

Brag · 01-02-07, 05:40 PM

When crash diving in shallow water, I hit the A key (hold this depth order) as the boat goes through 10 meters. The boat will then level off at approximately 34 meters. This gives me time to select whatever depth I want while getting me off the surface fast.

There are lots of shallow areas in the North sea with less than 30 meters --sticky place to operate. Next time I have a chance will see what happens if I try to check the dive before hitting 10 meters when stern is still on the surface.

Corsair · 01-02-07, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Brag

There are lots of shallow areas in the North sea with less than 30 meters --sticky place to operate.

A good reason why I avoid crossing the North Sea to or from W'haven and take the longer route along the norwegian coast where there is plenty of water under the keel, no airplanes and no destroyers on patrol...

danurve · 01-02-07, 08:55 PM

Apriciate the replys; good info. I'll try the hold this depth deal with no changes first then perhaps tweek from there.

azn_132 · 01-02-07, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Corsair

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brag

There are lots of shallow areas in the North sea with less than 30 meters --sticky place to operate.

A good reason why I avoid crossing the North Sea to or from W'haven and take the longer route along the norwegian coast where there is plenty of water under the keel, no airplanes and no destroyers on patrol...

I always do that till I tranferred to Lorient in the 2 flotilla.

01-02-07, 11:56 AM	#1
danurve The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 1,481 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 3	Crash - Fast dive change? Any way to change the crash/emergency dive value in meters? Im not sure I agree with the games default value/depth. Im thinking a fast dive should be 20-25 meters. Seeing as how the primary guage is maxed at 25 and I may not want to be bothered with having to adjust it after the order. If I want to more depth how about that's my choice :hmm: Subject to attitude change via depth charges __________________

01-02-07, 11:59 AM	#2
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Real life normal dive: The boat is flooded slightly negative and takes a while to dive. Real life crash dive: All tanks are fully flooded except the aft trim tank, which is drained forward to get the nose pointed down. Blowing out the tanks again will make the boat rise, so they have to be pumped back to neutral trim. The whole point is to get the boat as deep as possible as quickly as possible. 70 meters is about right. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-02-07, 12:01 PM	#3
Mooncatt Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Keighley UK Posts: 938 Downloads: 78 Uploads: 0	seconded. its right __________________

01-02-07, 12:07 PM	#4
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,254 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Right now I have my boat set to auto dive to perscope depth if a plane shows up. So the boat is already in motion to dive. I then click the depth I want. Sucks but this is the only way I know how to do it. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

01-02-07, 12:09 PM	#5
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Oh, you can hit "Crash Dive" and then as soon as the boat starts down set it for whatever depth you want. Some have complained about the "crash dive bug" doing that, but personally I never had any problems. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

01-02-07, 12:12 PM	#6
danlisa Navy Seal Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cornwall, UK Posts: 5,499 Downloads: 45 Uploads: 1	Someone will have to help me with the actual file name but (IIRC) you can change the default crash depth in the cfg file which also governs the storm conditions for your flak/deck gun. I can't for the life of me remember what it's called atm. Edit - found the file path - ...\SilentHunterIII\data\Submarine\NSS_Uboatxx\NSS_Uboatxx.cfg You'll need to change the crash depth setting for your current boat. (be safe, in port, SH3Cmdr rollback etc) __________________

01-02-07, 12:14 PM	#7
AS 中国水兵 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 275 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 0	You can open the cfg file in your SH3/data/submarine/"your preferred U-Boat type" folder (e.g. with Notepad or Editor) and change the crash depth (it is preset at 70m (stock SH3) respectively 76m (GWX). Personally I´ve changed it to 160m, the reason is simple: I can always stop a crash dive and order "normal" diving, BUT I cannot get my men to dive FAST once the crash dive is over, which is highly unrealistic and problematic. Try diving deeper at 3 kt: it takes several minutes (!) just to gain some more metres. This is why I alwayws wanted this: I WANT FULL BALLAST TANK AND DIVE PLANE CONTROL!!! Cheers, AS __________________ Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong. (Oscar Wilde)

01-02-07, 01:27 PM	#8
Hartmann Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Grid CH 26, Spain ,Barcelona Posts: 1,857 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	But crash dive at 160 meters could be a problem in shallow waters. also some people has the "crash dive blues" problem http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...ash+dive+blues I don´t kwow what was the most used crash dive depth, but i think that 20-30 meters is a good setting. __________________ But this ship can't sink!... She is made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can. and she will. It is a mathematical certainty. Strength and honor

01-02-07, 01:37 PM	#9
AS 中国水兵 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 275 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 0	@Hartmann: the set depth value doesn´t really effect shallow water, because you can crash dive and when diving order periscope depth (or whatever depth) and so you have the fast diving time while avoiding hitting the ground. In real life crash dive depth depended on the situation. When surprised by a destroyer they went very deep at once, when surprised by a plane they usually went to 40 or 60m. The problem I mentioned is that only crash diving gives you fast diving. If you set your crash dive to 30m but there´s a destroyer coming your way, you won´t have any chance to get deeper in the short time remaining. Just try it out. Cheers, AS __________________ Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong. (Oscar Wilde)

01-02-07, 05:40 PM	#10
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	When crash diving in shallow water, I hit the A key (hold this depth order) as the boat goes through 10 meters. The boat will then level off at approximately 34 meters. This gives me time to select whatever depth I want while getting me off the surface fast. There are lots of shallow areas in the North sea with less than 30 meters --sticky place to operate. Next time I have a chance will see what happens if I try to check the dive before hitting 10 meters when stern is still on the surface. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

01-02-07, 08:55 PM	#12
danurve The Old Man Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 1,481 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 3	Apriciate the replys; good info. I'll try the hold this depth deal with no changes first then perhaps tweek from there. __________________