Is SHIII + GWX What Stock SHIII Should Have Been in the First Place?

GSpector · 01-02-07, 12:02 AM

I agree with GT but I will give credit where credit is also due. The Developers did give us this product that we still enjoy so much and they made it open enough for us to improve upon it. Sadly though, they also gave us a product that needed to be improved upon so soon out the door.

Now, if they gave us a product as bad as some seem to claim, I don't think anyone here would have touched it let alone bought it when the word got out.

So I

those that stood up and not only said they can make it better but actually did. Yes, I

you too GT and all the Beta Testers.

CWorth · 01-02-07, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GSpector

Now, if they gave us a product as bad as some seem to claim, I don't think anyone here would have touched it let alone bought it when the word got out.

Believe me..if it was not for the modders who have turned this from an arcade shoot-em-up submarine game to the realistic Uboat simulator it is now.I would have uninstalled the game and left it to collect dust on my shelf a very long time ago.

Now I will have this simulator on my hard drive for months to come if not longer thanks to the mods like RUB and the GW and GWX.I bought the game the day it was released and have been playing it since thanks to people like Kpt.Lehman.Marhkimov,Sergbuto,Fubar,Dowly,and the many other modders who have given their free time to make this the greatest Uboat Simulator ever.

Corsair · 01-02-07, 04:18 AM

"9. The weather model is crummy. I know the North Atlantic was a crappy place in the winter, but come on. Three straight weeks of hurricane force winds and rain doesn't seem quite realistic to me."

The strongest winds we get are 15 m/s this is roughly 30 knts. Average wind speeds in hurricanes are 100 Knts, so we are far from that...

Having spent many winters in the west of France, I can tell you winter storms are often a lot more than 30 knts IRL...

As for the rain, in my hometown we predict weather in winter by looking at a cape (cape Frehel) and it goes : " if you see the cape, rain is coming. If you don't see it, it's already raining."
The problem with weather change is that when you save the game, the counter is reset. I find SH3 Weather being helpful even if not perfect.

01-03-07, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Corsair

"9. The weather model is crummy. I know the North Atlantic was a crappy place in the winter, but come on. Three straight weeks of hurricane force winds and rain doesn't seem quite realistic to me."

The strongest winds we get are 15 m/s this is roughly 30 knts. Average wind speeds in hurricanes are 100 Knts, so we are far from that...

Having spent many winters in the west of France, I can tell you winter storms are often a lot more than 30 knts IRL...

As for the rain, in my hometown we predict weather in winter by looking at a cape (cape Frehel) and it goes : " if you see the cape, rain is coming. If you don't see it, it's already raining."
The problem with weather change is that when you save the game, the counter is reset. I find SH3 Weather being helpful even if not perfect.

Heh yea - just try and come living in the western part of Denmark....that will give you wind and rain.

mookiemookie · 01-03-07, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Mav87th

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Originally Posted by Corsair

"9. The weather model is crummy. I know the North Atlantic was a crappy place in the winter, but come on. Three straight weeks of hurricane force winds and rain doesn't seem quite realistic to me."

The strongest winds we get are 15 m/s this is roughly 30 knts. Average wind speeds in hurricanes are 100 Knts, so we are far from that...

Having spent many winters in the west of France, I can tell you winter storms are often a lot more than 30 knts IRL...

As for the rain, in my hometown we predict weather in winter by looking at a cape (cape Frehel) and it goes : " if you see the cape, rain is coming. If you don't see it, it's already raining."
The problem with weather change is that when you save the game, the counter is reset. I find SH3 Weather being helpful even if not perfect.

Heh yea - just try and come living in the western part of Denmark....that will give you wind and rain.

Fine, fine! You got me. I'll concede my point on the weather model!

But the rest still stand!

Brag · 01-03-07, 11:39 AM

In MHO, GWX is to SHIII what SHIII was to SHII, a vast improvement. UBI, like any biz has to struggle with budgets, etc. They are not the enemy. What is amazing is what the GWX team has done, they have set the bar quite high. Will SHIV come up to GWX level?

01-03-07, 11:49 AM

IMO No, its not.

there are still too many features missing. wolpacks (real wolfpacks), more communications, better sub handling (batteries etc.), crew shifts/management etc. etc.

GWX cant implement that, no mod can, because of the SDK thing...
but GWX is still the best what you can get for SH3 i think...

maybe it will be possible to "transplant" a few features from SHIV in SHIII...

01-02-07, 12:02 AM	#1
GSpector Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 676 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	I agree with GT but I will give credit where credit is also due. The Developers did give us this product that we still enjoy so much and they made it open enough for us to improve upon it. Sadly though, they also gave us a product that needed to be improved upon so soon out the door. Now, if they gave us a product as bad as some seem to claim, I don't think anyone here would have touched it let alone bought it when the word got out. So I those that stood up and not only said they can make it better but actually did. Yes, I you too GT and all the Beta Testers. __________________ Specter

01-02-07, 04:18 AM	#3
Corsair Ace of the Deep Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Toulouse France Posts: 1,140 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	"9. The weather model is crummy. I know the North Atlantic was a crappy place in the winter, but come on. Three straight weeks of hurricane force winds and rain doesn't seem quite realistic to me." The strongest winds we get are 15 m/s this is roughly 30 knts. Average wind speeds in hurricanes are 100 Knts, so we are far from that... Having spent many winters in the west of France, I can tell you winter storms are often a lot more than 30 knts IRL... As for the rain, in my hometown we predict weather in winter by looking at a cape (cape Frehel) and it goes : " if you see the cape, rain is coming. If you don't see it, it's already raining." The problem with weather change is that when you save the game, the counter is reset. I find SH3 Weather being helpful even if not perfect. __________________ NYGM 3.4A / Living SH3 V5.1 + SH3 Commander

01-03-07, 11:39 AM	#6
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Not the enemy In MHO, GWX is to SHIII what SHIII was to SHII, a vast improvement. UBI, like any biz has to struggle with budgets, etc. They are not the enemy. What is amazing is what the GWX team has done, they have set the bar quite high. Will SHIV come up to GWX level? __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

01-03-07, 11:49 AM	#7
Nippelspanner Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	IMO No, its not. there are still too many features missing. wolpacks (real wolfpacks), more communications, better sub handling (batteries etc.), crew shifts/management etc. etc. GWX cant implement that, no mod can, because of the SDK thing... but GWX is still the best what you can get for SH3 i think... maybe it will be possible to "transplant" a few features from SHIV in SHIII...