i love the middle east

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

Wishing for things won't make it so.

See my sig's bottom line quote.

G'nite!

[CCIP]

So what are you suggesting exactly? Conventional solution no longer good enough for both of you?

Well, let my views of gun ownership be known: I have a perfectly good axe within reach.

[Sea Demon]

In addition, I hope for less pain on Isreal than Iran when it comes down to it. I wish for more pain on Iran than America when it all comes out in the wash. If it's us versus them, I choose us and allied nations to survive.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Well, let my views of gun ownership be known: I have a perfectly good axe within reach.

A .45 revolver has a much more potent reach than your axe.

[CCIP]

Not in my house, where any of its advantages are negated by my superior tactical awareness :p


My implication is that for defensive purposes, you can do a lot with a little. Nuclear weapons, as I said, are not military weapons in the strict sense; they're made to kill off populations. I thought at this stage it was still about removing Iran's nuclear capacity - or are we secretly hyping up for lots of dead Iranians?

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Not in my house, where any of its advantages are negated by my superior tactical awareness :p


My implication is that for defensive purposes, you can do a lot with a little. Nuclear weapons, as I said, are not military weapons in the strict sense; they're made to kill off populations. I thought at this stage it was still about removing Iran's nuclear capacity - or are we secretly hyping up for lots of dead Iranians?

Yeah, you better hope the burglar doesn't have good ears. And if there's a team of two, you're a goner.

Well, yes. I am promoting a conventional bombing campaign against Iran, including it's entire military, port, some manufacturing and all air facilities. A sustained two week affair. No boots on the ground or land invasion. Tell Russia and China to sit down and shut the 'F' up. Tell the UN to stuff it. Tell American Liberals/Democrats to pack sand. And just get it done. I never insinuated I wanted a strategic nuclear strike. Although waving the big stick without using it might come in handy to dter other trouble makers.

Of course this ain't gonna happen. But it should. And it would solve the problem, and maybe a few others that might think twice.

[Yahoshua]

[BH]

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
George Santayana

[Iceman]

If anything can be learned from the past and present it is this....for a force to completely and utterly defeat any Iranian military force should not even be a question....the obvious things I would look at are look at Iraq....do you want to occupy a country and try to go about it the hard way or take the easy way and push a button and simplify your problems.To conquer an enemy or foe and let lem still exsist to come back and bite ya seems weird to me....but that is democracy and freedom and the current mentality of America...we can defeat a country but when is the last time we took over one to make it ours?....point I am trying to make is War to me is a very crazy thing...the object to me would be to make your opponent become your slave or least subordanite until it is no longer a threat....no matter how you achieve this be it conventional or thru nukes either way is war...war is war...the object is to win...to win some sort of peace hopefully.And if a man was smart he would find a way to lose as least of his own forces as possible...if he was truly wise he would find a way to avoid war altogether for all.

[TteFAboB]

Ahmadinejad has said that the mission of the Islamic revolution is to pave the way for the 12th Imam. While he's very convincing as are all lunatics and seem to be absolutely sure he's right as any sociopath is, I'd like to know wether Khamenei shares the same vision or is even behind him or not.

If the 12th Imam was to come then it would indeed make sense to sacrifice Iran in a MAD nuclear trade with Israel. Yes, millions of Iranians would die if Israel could retaliate and especially if it had more warheads than believed but all the dead would fall straight in the good grace of Allah as martyrs.

"The Prophet peace be upon him said: 'The nations shall gather and team up against you (Muslims) as the predators gather and team up against their preys. A questioner asked: 'Is it because of us being low in numbers at that day?' The Prophet replied: 'No, you that day shall be in great numbers, but you will be as powerless as the foam of the water on the surface of the river, and Allah shall remove any fear from your enemies toward you, and He shall put in your hearts a corruption.' A questioner asked: 'O Apostle of Allah, what is the corruption?' The Prophet replied: 'The love of life's amusements and the fear of death.' (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, The Book of Fierce Battles - The Gathering of all Nations against Islam)"

All Muslim governments rank high on corruption as do all dictatorships and totalitarian (also Sharia'rite) countries to some extent. There's also the ostentation and lust for materialism. I've never seen a people more fascinated and eager to ostentate wealth than the peoples of the Middle East, especially the Arabs. But that is probably more related to culture:

"Certain of the desert Arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert Arabs) among the Medina folk: they are obstinate in hypocrisy: thou knowest them not: We know them: twice shall We punish them: and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty. (The Noble Quran, 9:101)"

So you may rightfully argue that these rulers (Prince Exotic-car-collection) are not Muslims themselves but "hypocrites" in the sense of the quote above. Unfortunately, they are contagious by necessity:

"...Kings, when they Enter a country, despoil it, And make the noblest Of its people its meanest (A-izzata ahliha athillatan) Thus do they behave. (The Noble Quran, 27:34)"

Now, it all makes sense after these two quotes:

"Until the Gog and Magog (people) Are let through (their barrier), And they swiftly swarm From every hill. Then will the True Promise Draw nigh (of fulfilment): Then behold! the eyes Of the Unbelievers will Fixedly stare in horror: 'Ah! Woe to us! we were indeed Heedless of this; nay; we Truly did wrong!' (The Noble Quran, 21:96-97)"

"The Prophet said 'The people will continue performing the Hajj and 'Umra to the Ka'ba even after the appearance of Gog and Magog.' Narrated Shu'ba extra: The Hour (Day of Judgment) will not be established till the Hajj (pilgrimage to the Mecca) is abandoned. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Pilgrimage (Hajj), Volume 2)"

Iran attacks Israel, this sparks a counter attack "from every hill", a global war ensues. Saudi Arabia allies itself with whoever is fighting against Iran and the pilgrimage to Mecca is for some reason interrupted. Then the world either ends or starts over from scratch.

I say this isn't the Apocalypse. It could be. As has been the case for millenia, only time will tell. I would always find the quotes and Hadiths I need to stamp over whatever I would like to prove no matter the case because if you believe the (Muslim) Apocalypse is next door and you base this theory on the observation of reality and truth, the world is such a large place you will always be able to find corruption, war, sin and whatever else you need to attempt to make lies become true by force.

All your treaties and diplomatic non-sense is gibberish compared to the Verb of Allah. Successful nuclear disarmament might even be a sign of the Apocalypse: how does anyone intend to close the gates of hell and stop the legions of demons with petty bullets and war machines alone?

[The Avon Lady]

[QUOTE=TteFAboB]

"The Prophet peace be upon him said: 'The nations shall gather and team up against you (Muslims) as the predators gather and team up against their preys.

"Until the Gog and Magog (people) Are let through (their barrier), And they swiftly swarm From every hill.

Typical Islamic plagiary.

Nothing like the original. Also, see this related article.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Typical Islamic plagiary.

Shame on the mods if they let this one go.

PD

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

Shame on the mods if they let this one go.

Deal with it.

[stabiz]

Oh crap, I just read some of Sea Demons posts again. I need a bath.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by stabiz

Oh crap, I just read some of Sea Demons posts again. I need a bath.

For best results, do this daily.

Some of you people are so ultra-sensitive.