i love the middle east

[cobalt]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...articleId=1838

[CCIP]

While it may be just a LITTLE too idealistic, I'm 100% behind this:

The Parliamentarians, civil society organisations, and prominent
individuals signed below hereby urge a solution to the crisis in
relations between the US and Iran, Israel and Iran, based on the
following clearly defined principles:

1) No use of any military option whatsoever by any party for any reason.

2) A clear commitment by all nuclear-armed parties not to use nuclear
weapons in this situation, and a broader commitment to the doctrine
of no first use of nuclear weapons.

3) The implementation of the 1995 Non-Proliferation Treaty Resolution
on a Nuclear Weapon Free Zone in the Middle East, implementation of
the annual consensus-adopted General Assembly resolutions on
'Establishment of a Nuclear-Weapons-Free Zone in the region of the
Middle East', and particularly the full implementation of this years
resolution on nuclear proliferation in the middle -east.

4) A clear commitment by all parties to the global elimination of
nuclear weapons, including through reaffirming the Final Declaration
of the 2000 Non-Proliferation Treaty Review Conference, and relevant
General Assembly resolutions.

5) A diplomatic path to the removal of tensions between the US,
Israel, and Iran, involving compromise on both sides, recognition of
the legitimate security concerns of all parties including both Israel
and Iran, and refraining from inflammatory statements or the
exploration of military options by any party.

[The Avon Lady]

Chamberlain came home with a signed piece of paper, too.

So did Stalin.

Learn from history. It's repeating itself.

[CCIP]

Perhaps we should also learn something of Hiroshima and Nagasaki then.

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Perhaps we should also learn something of Hiroshima and Nagasaki then.

Yes. It ended the war rather quickly. Since then, Japan, Germany and Italy have behaved themselves and are global contributors - not destroyers.

Or haven't you heard? :hmm:

[CCIP]

I did say something along the lines of being too idealistic, didn't I?

I'm by no means advocating total disarmament in the face of what obviously is a big threat on the part of Iran to Israel. Yes, Israel should think of peace but prepare for war - but I don't think nuclear preparations should have any part of it. It's not called MAD for nothing - and in Israel's case, the D is more than a real danger. I really, really don't see Isreal's nukes as anything but a 'going out in a blaze' measure.

And yea, well, unlike Chamberlain... I'm not gonna get my hopes up here. I don't see Israel giving up its nukes any more than I see Iran stopping the development of theirs. That's stinkin' realism for you. I was hoping Israel might be a little bit less keen on weapons of mass murder than the less enlightened powers out there, but, tough luck.

What surprises me is that we still haven't seen any F-16s with blue stars over Iranian facilities. You'd think they'd be desperate by now - if anything, I sympathise with the fact that Israel is apparently being left out to dry on the Iran thing, to which noone wants to commit anything but big words, be it on disarmament or threat of force.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Chamberlain came home with a signed piece of paper, too.

So did Stalin.

Learn from history. It's repeating itself.

They both won, though

[dean_acheson]

Both won what? The titles of biggest loser and biggest a@#%^*e of the 20th Century?

[U-533]

I can remember when 'profiling' aka. 'being prejudice' was quite the rage.

We never had to worry about terroists blowing themselves up and killing infidels to get to paradise.

We never feared walking the streets because trouble makers where used on chain gangs until they died or relised what the rewards were for thier actions.

I can remember when we stopped the drills for atomic bomb explosions......I think we figured it was useless being an all out attack would not be conducive to winning anything.

I guess the fear people now have about nukes stems from the fact that Muslim's have to kill Infidels to get to paradise. So what better way to assure your seat next to your god (note the little g) then to take out a few milloin Infidels.
BUUUT...if they cant nuke ya theres allways the strap on bombvest or a AK47 or maybe a knife.( yeap... Im right I just asked several people here in the park and Im correct)[except for North Korea ol' whats his name is just a nut job]

Well Im off to go do some infidel stuff with full assurence that no matter the out come I will be happy when I get there.

[tycho102]

I don't really have anything specific to add to this thread, so I'll just throw some current event stuff in here.

Hamas and Fatah hate each other. A power struggle would seriously help Israel's position. At this point, I'm about ready for Israel to just conquer the west bank and leave Gaza for the "Palestinians". They can keep their sections of Jordan and north Egypt and use it as a land bridge.

al-Qaeda says the Americans should be negotiating with them. These Islamic gangs are actually very responsible about letting you know when they are feeling the pressure.

The entire muslim world has been paying attention to Iraq and Lebanon. They've learned to fight "guerilla" wars, and to plan for a guerilla war. We will never again see uniformed combat soldiers unless the entire Geneva Convention treaty is nullified. There is no penalty for using non-uniformed combatants, making that the best method to conduct combat operations against "western" nations.

We should have secured the borders in Iraq. We should have pulled troops out of Japan and Korea and NATO to do it. We didn't. That is said and done, and I'm interested in the present and the future. We need to get the f*ck out of Iraq. We've got brave women and men dying over there, for the sole reason of keeping oil under $90 per barrel. I want us off oil, and if the stock market drops 5000 points to do it, that is completely acceptable to me.

I'm disgusted with both the Republicans and Democrats. I'm disgusted with our $50 trillion debt, the utter lack of physical security and the ability to deny entry on our southern border, I'm disgusted with our education system (especially in the high density cities), I'm disgusted with California's $20+ billion deficit spending every year, I'm disgusted with Diebold and ES&S and our entire system of voting records (i.e. the lack of voting records).


All of this is directly related to the middle east and jihad against the kufir. I'd like to stop paying the oil jizyah and funding jihad, and it's our entire economy and congress that has to be changed.

[TteFAboB]

Ahmadinejad has said that the mission of the Islamic revolution is to pave the way for the 12th Imam. While he's very convincing as are all lunatics and seem to be absolutely sure he's right as any sociopath is, I'd like to know wether Khamenei shares the same vision or is even behind him or not.

If the 12th Imam was to come then it would indeed make sense to sacrifice Iran in a MAD nuclear trade with Israel. Yes, millions of Iranians would die if Israel could retaliate and especially if it had more warheads than believed but all the dead would fall straight in the good grace of Allah as martyrs.

"The Prophet peace be upon him said: 'The nations shall gather and team up against you (Muslims) as the predators gather and team up against their preys. A questioner asked: 'Is it because of us being low in numbers at that day?' The Prophet replied: 'No, you that day shall be in great numbers, but you will be as powerless as the foam of the water on the surface of the river, and Allah shall remove any fear from your enemies toward you, and He shall put in your hearts a corruption.' A questioner asked: 'O Apostle of Allah, what is the corruption?' The Prophet replied: 'The love of life's amusements and the fear of death.' (Translation of Sunan Abu Dawud, The Book of Fierce Battles - The Gathering of all Nations against Islam)"

All Muslim governments rank high on corruption as do all dictatorships and totalitarian (also Sharia'rite) countries to some extent. There's also the ostentation and lust for materialism. I've never seen a people more fascinated and eager to ostentate wealth than the peoples of the Middle East, especially the Arabs. But that is probably more related to culture:

"Certain of the desert Arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert Arabs) among the Medina folk: they are obstinate in hypocrisy: thou knowest them not: We know them: twice shall We punish them: and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty. (The Noble Quran, 9:101)"

So you may rightfully argue that these rulers (Prince Exotic-car-collection) are not Muslims themselves but "hypocrites" in the sense of the quote above. Unfortunately, they are contagious by necessity:

"...Kings, when they Enter a country, despoil it, And make the noblest Of its people its meanest (A-izzata ahliha athillatan) Thus do they behave. (The Noble Quran, 27:34)"

Now, it all makes sense after these two quotes:

"Until the Gog and Magog (people) Are let through (their barrier), And they swiftly swarm From every hill. Then will the True Promise Draw nigh (of fulfilment): Then behold! the eyes Of the Unbelievers will Fixedly stare in horror: 'Ah! Woe to us! we were indeed Heedless of this; nay; we Truly did wrong!' (The Noble Quran, 21:96-97)"

"The Prophet said 'The people will continue performing the Hajj and 'Umra to the Ka'ba even after the appearance of Gog and Magog.' Narrated Shu'ba extra: The Hour (Day of Judgment) will not be established till the Hajj (pilgrimage to the Mecca) is abandoned. (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Pilgrimage (Hajj), Volume 2)"

Iran attacks Israel, this sparks a counter attack "from every hill", a global war ensues. Saudi Arabia allies itself with whoever is fighting against Iran and the pilgrimage to Mecca is for some reason interrupted. Then the world either ends or starts over from scratch.

I say this isn't the Apocalypse. It could be. As has been the case for millenia, only time will tell. I would always find the quotes and Hadiths I need to stamp over whatever I would like to prove no matter the case because if you believe the (Muslim) Apocalypse is next door and you base this theory on the observation of reality and truth, the world is such a large place you will always be able to find corruption, war, sin and whatever else you need to attempt to make lies become true by force.

All your treaties and diplomatic non-sense is gibberish compared to the Verb of Allah. Successful nuclear disarmament might even be a sign of the Apocalypse: how does anyone intend to close the gates of hell and stop the legions of demons with petty bullets and war machines alone?

[The Avon Lady]

[QUOTE=TteFAboB]

"The Prophet peace be upon him said: 'The nations shall gather and team up against you (Muslims) as the predators gather and team up against their preys.

"Until the Gog and Magog (people) Are let through (their barrier), And they swiftly swarm From every hill.

Typical Islamic plagiary.

Nothing like the original. Also, see this related article.

[PeriscopeDepth]

Originally Posted by The Avon Lady

Typical Islamic plagiary.

Shame on the mods if they let this one go.

PD

[The Avon Lady]

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

Shame on the mods if they let this one go.

Deal with it.

[stabiz]

Oh crap, I just read some of Sea Demons posts again. I need a bath.